I just read the bill and it says exactly what this email indicates it says. It is time to draw the line; it is time to declare our sovereignty and just say, "no!"
Unbelievable!
BOTH HOUSE AND SENATE HEALTH BILLS REQUIRE THE MICRO CHIPPING OF AMERICANS
http://goldfuture.wordpres s.com/2010/ 03/19/both- house-and- senate-health- bills-require- the-micro- chipping- of-americans- 31810/
Required RFID implanted chip
Sec. 2521 Pg. 1000 – The government will establish a National Medical Device Registry. What does a National Medical Device Registry mean?
National Medical Device Registry from H.R. 3200 [Healthcare Bill]pages 1001-1008:
(g)(1) The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the registry™) to facilitate analysis of post market safety and outcomes data on each device that— (A) is or has been used in or on a patient(B)and is— (i) a class III device or ((ii) a class II device that is implantable life-supporting or life-sustaining.
Then on page 1004 it describes what the term data means in paragraph 1 section B:
(B) In this paragraph the term data refers to information respecting a device described in paragraph (1)including claims data patient survey data standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments electronic health records and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretaryâ€
What exactly is a class II device that is implantable? Approved by the FDA a class II implantable device is an implantable radio frequency transponder system for patient identification and health information. The purpose of a class II device is to collect data in medical patients such as “claims data patient survey data standardized analytic files that allow for the pooling and analysis of data from disparate data environments electronic health records and any other data deemed appropriate by the Secretary.
See it for yourself: http://www.fda. gov/downloads/ MedicalDevices/ DeviceRegulation andGuidance/ GuidanceDocument s/ucm072191. pdf
This new law – when fully implemented – provides the framework for making the United States the first nation in the world to require each and every one of its citizens to have implanted in them a radio-frequency identification (RFID) microchip for the purpose of controlling who is or isn’t allowed medical care in their country.
Don't believe it? Look it up yourself. Healthcare Bill H.R. 3200: http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf
Pages 1001-1008 National Medical Device Registry†section.
Page 1006 to be enacted within 36 months upon passage
Page 503 … medical device surveilllanceâ€
Why would the government use the word surveillance when referring to citizens? The definition of surveillance is the monitoring of the behavior activities or other changing information usually of people and often in a secret manner. The root of the word [French] means to watch over.
In theory the intent to streamline healthcare and to eliminate fraud via health chips seems right. But to have the worlds lone superpower (America for now) mandate (page 1006) a device to be IMPLANTED is scary!
Microchiping included in Healthcare Bill?
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/105079
Coverage under Obamacare will require an implantable microchip?
http://current. com/items/ 90842279_ coverage- under-obamacare- will-require- an-implantable- microchip. htm
I don't know... it needs more study. Have you read the bill?
In one of the forums discussing this someone wrote:
http://www.dailypaul.com/node/105079
"Total fearmonging!!!
First of all, the attached document only has 1018 pages.
Secondly, when reading about registry of medical devices starting on page 1003,
they are talking about defibrillators, pacemakers, spinal cord stimulators,
joint replacements, etc. Need something a lot more substantial than this
(regarding MOTB), though the entire bill is crapola.
Stuff like this is passed around to fragment us and put us in total mode of sky
is falling, chasing tail, running around with hair on fire over a total falicy
to make us look like wackos.
We need to stick with the plain and simple fact that government has NO RIGHT to
mandate healthcare policy or practice, PERIOD."
Having lived in Holland, I like the "socialized" medicine. Insurance companies are private and everyone has to buy a policy or be covered by a espouses policy, but those who are below a certain level of income receive subsidies from the government to pay for the policy, so it's not too stressful on the pocket. The service is good and there are no long waiting lists as some folks like to claim. It's not perfect, one needs to take an active participation and do some medical investigation so you keep your doctor on the ball... but this is something we need to do here also, not just rely on the threat of a medical malpractice lawsuit.
However, if this claim of required implantable microchip turns out to be true, that would be a 'deal breaker' for me. There is no way one could trust any government with so much personal information. Past government actions demonstrate they are not trustworthy.
Namaste.
Bob
Hey John,
I saw this yesterday and considered posting it over here, but thought I wanted to see more on it before I step out with it. Some one on one of my forum tried to make a case that they are talking about such things as pacemakers, nerve stimulators etc. But the more I see, the more I think that this is surely RFID chips they are refering to.
I tried to go to the FDA site linked above to verify it and I got a dead end. Couldn't get into that link at all even when I copied and pasted it. I haven't tried it from your post yet. Just did and still was not able to connect to it. Oh, I tried again and there it was. Very definitely a RFID device which they are talking about.
Count me out!!! I have read documentation that these devices have been causing cancerous tumors in dogs which have been chipped. Besides that I certainly would not want to broadcast to every GPS monitor where I am and what I am doing. I don't even like the idea that my new drivers license may already be chipped and I am trying to find out how to disable it if it is. BTW all new passports will be chipped too.
Here is further information regarding this. Use your discrimination in analysing the content, just as the above.
Microchipping To Begin In 36 Months
Under New Health Bill
The new Health Care Bill, H.R. 3200, just passed by Congress has within it the requirement that all people thereunder shall be microchiped. The plans for this microchipping has been in the hooper going back to December of 2004.
Witness the actual FDA (Food and Drug Administration) document dated December 10, 2004 entitled “Class II Special Guidance Document: Implantable Radiofrequency Transponder System for Patient Identification and Health Information. This ten page document may be read on the FDA website at
http://www.fda.gov/downloads/MedicalDevices/DeviceRegulationandGuidance/GuidanceDocuments/ucm072191.pdf
Now witness the wording within H.R. 3200, “America’s Affordable Health Choices Act of 2009” found on Congresses’ House Ways and Means website,
http://waysandmeans.house.gov/media/pdf/111/AAHCA09001xml.pdf
On page 1001 is “Subtitle C – National Medical Device Registry” which states,
“The Secretary shall establish a national medical device registry (in this subsection referred to as the ‘registry’) to facilitate analysis of postmarket safety and outcomes data on each device that … is or has been used in or on a patient…”
In other words, everyone microchipped pursuant to the new Health Care Bill must be registered with the Secretary. The “Secretary” is defined as the Secretary of Health and Human Services.
The date by which this registry is to begin is mandated on page 1006, which is 36 months after the Health Bill becomes law.
(2) EFFECTIVE DATE. – The Secretary of Health and Human Services shall establish and begin implementation of the registry under section 519(g) of the Federal Food, Drug, and Cosmetic Act, as added by paragraph (1) by not later than the date that is 36 months after the date of the enactment of this Act, without regard to whether of not final regulations to establish and operate the registry have been promulgated by such date.
Therefore, under the law of H.R. 3200 recently passed by Congress, microchipping of Americans must begin by the year 2013.
John, since you have read this bill completely than I am sure that there is evidence that this could be the case. I think though that before it goes into effect that there will be some loud noise coming out of Congress who for the most part have probably not read the entire bill and have no idea this is in there. It may be amended out quickly along with other pieces of trash that are in there.
Perhaps I'm just being hopeful or naive but my reading of the above text is that the FDA is required to set up a data base to store the information on those who have been chipped. However, I'm not reading where they are saying everyone is required to be chipped, just that the FDA is required to set up the database. Of course, even if this is the case, they are still getting ready for a senario in which they could track everyone with chips.
My guess is they will bring this in gradually, encouraging the elderly to get chipped and then the young. Eventually, it will be talked about as if it is required for public school admission, like they do vaccines now (even though they aren't actually legally required, lots of schools use language in the letters they send home to the parents making them think their kids are required to get vaccines).
I've been living with the Massachusetts plan now for the last two years and most everyone I know doesn't like it. Hardly anyone I know is getting free health insurance, the lower middle class folks I know are appalled that they are still expected to pay quite a bit, even if they qualify for the state plan. Personally, I have a cheap but bad plan that I pay for and then spend hundreds of dollars and drive miles away to find naturalpathic doctors not covered by my plan, of course. There is a religious exemption, however - I hope the Obama plan allows for that.
Wendy
I agree with wendy, they are at least trying to set it up, I can t afford health ins. anyways, so I won t be getting chipped anyways, unless they arrest me for not buying this new plan, the only way out of the vaccinations in my state is to sign the form using "religous reasons" as an excuse,,for if they gave us a space to voice why we are really refusing, the subjects of vaccinations would come up publicly alot more often...my son hasn t received anything but tetanus, is now 7 and only gets one slight cold a year,,the doctors rave about how healthy he is, but still recommend these vaccinations,,,,outside of trauma, I will not visit a doctor again,,,,I also hope that there is a religous out, or better yet, a blank space to voice your reasons for refusing to buy into this health care plan..........it is against the constitution to force anyone to buy healthcare,,,that clause was lobbied in by the ins companies when they were up against the public option,,and it is their wildest dream to force everyone to buy insurance,,the chips would be icing on the cake
Sort of extraneous to this post, but reading it triggered a memory that I thought I'd share...
A few weeks ago, my son and I were talking about him growing up and doing more things on his own (he's 11). He told me that he really doesn't like to be away from me, and it makes him nervous, except for going to school, which he does because he has to. He then suggested that we both get CHIPPED, so that we always knew where the other was(!!!) I got very serious with him and told him that if he is ever asked if he wants to be chipped, for any reason, he is to say no. (I went on to tell him that he didn't have to worry about losing me, etc...)
I have no idea where he's getting this from, but I'm guessing they're discussing it - whether in the cafeteria, or in class, at school.
Much love and light,
Kathy
Hi Tscout-
The way the system works in Ma is they fine you such a large tax through the regular tax system that you may as well buy health insurance anyhow and then basically refuse all treatment, which is what I do. I think the Obama plan will be similar, in other words, unless you are willing to say that you refuse health insurance for religious reasons, you will have to prove that you have health insurance or have your taxes increased by the same amount as what health insurance would cost anyow. There's no just saying no unless you're willing to pay the extra tax and then not be covered or unless you are earning so little money that you don't have to file a tax return anyhow.
Hi Berry,
I wondered where you heard this about cancer?
"Count me out!!! I have read documentation that these devices have been causing cancerous tumors in dogs which have been chipped. My knowledge of RFID is it's an inert device with no power source in it. When it is bathed in a certain kind of strong electromagnetic field, it's antenna picks up enough energy to "power it up" and broadcast out a code but otherwise it's dead. That's why it can be small and injected or implanted-because it has no power source like a battery. But it just occurred to me we're all being bathed in WiFi signals in our homes if we have an access point near us and much less so by cell or cordless phones etc but which might be near where the pet sleeps. It's not that anyone's reading the ID, but I wonder if it could get activated and interfere with cell division? I dunno.
Besides that I certainly would not want to broadcast to every GPS monitor where I am and what I am doing. I don't even like the idea that my new drivers license may already be chipped and I am trying to find out how to disable it if it is. BTW all new passports will be chipped too.
There's no constant broadcast going on but what scares me with RFID is we walk thru hidden scanners that can pickup RFID chips as they pass thru the scanners field, so your presense can theoretically be tracked say as you walked thru a subway turnstyle, or into a bookstore. I'm a security installer and I know almost all private scanners are just closed loop and don't even bother to track things other than store merchandise tags anyway(hard drive storage space costs money). But the public places, at least in some urban places or especially airports, courthouses, federal buildings might be primed for tracking. If RFID became ubiquitous, I bet retailers would try to scan customers with common types of RFID's to better track their habits-however well-intentioned or benign. Here's one for paranoia: Coke machines now have cellular communicators in them to send data on their status. You could mandate having them fitted with scanners that scan the public and report in all ID's in their proximity....BTW scanner fields are usually limited in area from 1" to 15 feet across. They can go as wide as 50 feet but when u broadcast enough energy to activate ID's at more than a foot or two it can interfere with pacemakers and the like. Some hackers have used directional antennas to capture ID's at longer distances.
After hackers showed it was extremely easy to steal U.S. passport ID's from a distance they started placing the RFID behind a foil shield so you'd have to use a close scanner to read the passport. Drivers licenses I haven't heard about- but I believe you can keep it wrapped in a couple of layers of aluminum foil to limit it's range to an inch or two. Don't microwave it to destroy the RFID-I've heard it can overexcite the materials and destroy your licence card!
Hi Brian-
There's been many studies that indicate the chips cause cancer in animals. I wouldn't be surprised if it wasn't the plastic capsules they probably put them, plastics have been linked to so many health problems.
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/82032.php
http://www.antichips.com/cancer/index.html
Wendy
Thanks Wendy, I would have had to go searching for that information. As far as serveilence is concerned, and again I don't have the reference handy, I have read that there are GPS satallites which are capable of tracking "certain" injected chips. Mind you, not all of the chips that are being used at this point are GPS dectectable, but you certainly have read of police officers, and military personnel who have been injected in order to track their location. Ie. satellite tracking!
As far as shopping is concerned, it is becoming most common now that products purchased in the big box stores have some sort of chip in the packaging which links your purchase with any sort of electronic money, credit card, debit card or whatever with the purchase of that item. Again some of these have GPS monitored chips that can track where that item is being used. So you are identified as buying that mp3 player and are using it in your home or at your office or where ever.
Have you noticed that it is becoming more and more common also that when you present a check for payment, that it is scanned and returned to you. All of your banking information is then available to that computer complex which scanned that check and your account is immediately charged. The more important aspect is that now Walmart has your bank information and supposedly it is secure, but who knows. It is still another trespass on your private business. There is no privacy any longer. "1984" was a little to early for what is happening right now.
But in spite of all of this, I must say that I am not personally becoming fearful or concerned, as I know that this chaotic world is appoaching a point when it will disentegrate and reorganize itself, as described in David Wilcox's work 2012 Enigma and other works. The shift is coming and all of this stuff discussed above is coming to an end when the Dark will no longer have the power to control the people of the world as they attempt to do now. I would still like to learn how to neutralize these chips and I think that I have discovered the way. I will say one word and will get back with you later on it.
ORGONITE!!!!!
love and light surround and bless all of you,
Berry
My credit card is up for renewal soon and I am going to request a card without a chip. So far the bank was asking peple to voluntarily switch and I've been saying no, but the renewal is up. I will explain fully that I am not comfortable carrying a chip around in my pocket. I need a new drivers lisc. soon too and plan on doing the same thing there: No chips for me!
Kathy, they are certainly targetting kids for this kind of thing. I was at a county fair last year, and the local 'Masonic Lodge' (seriously, no joke!) was offering free "CHIP ID's" for kids, in case they got abducted or whatever. The local representative apparently even went on the radio about it, and the only news or ANYTHING I could find about the MasoniCHIP ID program (I believe that was the name) was a transcript of that radio interview. I think I sent it to Fred and some other people. My parents were even a little shaken by the whole idea. That was a year ago, I reckon they've probably got other methods of "spreading" the great idea of microchips now. That campaign seemed to target fearful parents, I wouldn't be surprised if they are tryingt o influence the minds of the kids directly having failed to scare enough parents into it.
This is just further evidence for me that they cannot force this thing on people. They need us to give them our permission, or their agenda fails. Non-violent non-conformance is the only way to go here. If they force things upon us, they are violating our free will, and I am starting to see that the PTB do seem to adhere to the laws of free will. They may trick us into giving consent, this is true (look at 9/11) but they need it nonetheless to get the power they are so desperately clutching at. If we say no, and the chips are eventually "forced" on us (which I don't think will ever happen), they have failed, they have done something against our free will, and not doing this is their guiding principle I think. They only get away with what we allow them. Remember the bailouts? The first draft they tried to get away with too much and enraged a lot of people, the second round was still a complete sham, but I think by then the media had beaten people into accepting that it was going to happen. At least now theres 'some' oversight on that whole fiasco (though not too bloody much I'm sure). Just one example of many. Continue to resist peacefully and we will come out of this thing in much better shape. Cheers.
During the Bush jr. disaster years, I saw a standup comedian once who said a woman in a hick town got up near the end of his act told the audience they should all be aware of the elevated threat level and to be vigilant against attack. This was in a tiny isolated town in Louisana supposedly (it was probably all made up). He said Ma'am, I don't think al Queda will be invading this little town anytime soon etc...She launched into this explanation of how the enemy would land troop carriers on their beach, and offload thousands of soldiers who would take control of the town , then move outward to take over the nearest cities then the southern coast and states, then launch attacks on the rest of the country!
He said "Ma'am we live in America and there's one thing America has in vast quantities that would turn the tide on any invasion! Rednecks! Imagine if some terrorist state invaded Florida: There'd be an unbroken line of pickup trucks with the most heavily armed men you'd ever seen jamming every highway on the entire eastern seaboard just dying to get a few shots in. There'd be nothing left on the battlefield but beer cans and shotgun shells as far as the eye can see."
Point is I agree they couldn't put this one over on Americans by force-it would be all out war on the government and you can be sure the military wouldn't obey them either. The idea of injecting a foreign object into your body-I don't see it happening. Worry about the tracking they can do NOW on your cell phone, credit cards, email, this site. The NSA has inserted wiretaps onto the fiber optic trunk lines in several locations in the US and supercomputers read every email, intercept every phone call going thru looking for keywords. They can scan your selection of movies from NetFlix, the records from your cable or satellite boxes and Digital Video Recorders and build a personality profile on you right now. Worry about the advanced state of facial recognition and licence plate tracking already deployed in major cities especially over in Britain. And Berry, the chips aren't trackable from space except in extremely rare versions with built in power supplies and they're huge things. Space tracked transmitters are usually bulky objects too large to be inserted into the body. If you have proof of this device I'm disputing I'd like to see it. I've worked with RFID, dedicated cellular, fiber optics, access control and wireless security technologies as well as wireless computer networks and proprietary Radio networks. I've been following developments in these technologies for years. I studied radio and TV technical production including broadcast technologies and Ham radio operations. I've visited satellite construction clean rooms and a Navy radar training facility. I've installed advanced CCTV installations including on military bases, bank vaults and in public spaces and also covert systems and systems with digital recorders and remote operation from anywhere in the world. I've done these things partly because I keep up with the technology. Just trying to explain where I'm coming from.
I find I agree with the points Cirq makes about disinformation campaigns from the right. For example: in order to hijack the visceral anger people (like me) have at losing their livelihood and savings and home they claim the Wall Street reform bill is going to "institutionalize bailouts". A lie.
I have been continually flabbergasted at and fascinated by the utter contempt for the truth these people show. The way they get people to vote against their own interests. The dirty tricks. The voting machine tampering. It mystifies and confuses me...how do they sleep at night?
One author writing about peoples different ethical frames said that many conservatives view social interactions at work, in politics etc as a football game(US football). Anything goes including injuring the opposition, faking, dirty tricks-all part of the game. Hearty backslapping when your opponent out-screws you at screwing.
Whereas progressives play by the 'schoolhouse' rules. Learning and growth are key. Everybody plays close to the rules and fairness and respect are enforced to keep the peace and distribute resources.
That's why conservatives think progressives are "pussies" and "wimps". "Can't you see we're having a football game here?! Why are you clinging to the teachers skirt like that?"
Progressives are saying " What the hell are you doing running amuck in the halls and selling the textbooks on ebay for?"
If you're going to make the claim that the current legislation requires microchipping be prepared to back it up with facts. When I read the above excerpts from the bill, what I comprehend is:
1. The secretary is setting up a registry of devices (not patients/citizens)
2. The devices are any medical devices used in patients (such as pacemakers or artificial hearts, right?) or on patients (such as hearing aids?).
3. The terms "class II" and "class III" are context-dependent. What they mean in the bill has to be defined in the bill or some document it references. A separate RFID document may use the terms "class II" and "class III" to mean entirely different things. My guess is that in this context, class II and class III devices refer to devices used on patients (class II) and in patients (class III) and that the not-mentioned but implied class I devices would be devices that are completely external to the patient. But if anyone has actually found the definition of class II and class III *in the context of the bill*, please let us know.
I have no doubt that there are interests out there hell-bent on tagging us all, but, based on the evidence provided so far, I see no reason to believe that the current legislation furthers that agenda in the slightest.
More likely, to my mind, is that Republicans are trying to scuttle the current legislation by any means necessary and will resort to disinformation spreading wild claims about the bill that have no basis in fact. People who repeat the disinformation are most likely serving as dupes to these interests.
We must use better discernment and and be careful to spread only truth. Generally speaking, if something appears with a title in all-caps, that's my first reason to doubt its veracity.
So, please provide better facts, or, if you can't, by all means resort to ad hominem and straw man arguments, as a de facto admission that you have no facts to present.
P.S. In hindsight I feel the above "by all means... etc." is uncalled for in this venue. I am still re-adjusting to being back in this community where people are generally reasonable and compassionate. The last time I tried to discuss microchipping issues was on a different board where I was accused of being a "psi-op" agent or vaccine industry insider simply for suggesting that there might not yet be RFID technology that could be injected with standard vaccine needles. Which is all to say-- it's good to be back :-)