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ChrisBowers's picture6 hours ago
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ChrisBowers posted a new Topic in Inspirations/Transformational Stories:

I have recently been reading Jon Peniel's account of his (alleged) true life current incarnation experience and many lives association with the ancient sect known as The Children of the Law of One, allegedly still very much active with alleged origin predating Atlantis and even the "Adam & Eve" mythological story. Here is a link that has the PDF of Jon's story.

  • tscout's picture
    2 days ago

    You know, halfway through this, I stopped,and went back to watch a video I posted here a couple of months ago. https://youtu.be/-8szr8oPrxE It didn't draw any attention, as it appears to be a martial arts demonstration, but it is actually a short version of a lecture on the heart sutra. I believe Lama Dondrup is from Nepal, and he makes statements that mirror Peniel's points. If we are constantly making statements and actions that don't reflect what our hearts are feeling, than how can we ever expect to be in harmony with ourselves,,,or others? When I hear that, and think of the phrase "proper edicate", which is drilled into us from an early age, it is easy to see why everyone is so uneasy..


  • ChrisBowers's picture
    1 day ago

    Yeah, form without function, and pretty soon we forget we are even out of touch with our inner true Selves. another thing your comments made me think of is what David Icke said about his "trip" on Ayahuasca, "everything that vibrates is illusion, the only thing that's real is Love"


    All you need is Love,

    wa wa wawa wa

    Love is all you need

    Love is all you need

    Love is all you need


  • Bob07's picture
    1 day ago

    Todd, I watched the video of Lama Dondrup Dorje's chi demonstration, and was quite taken by the use of energy and the spiritual side (his exposition of the Heart Sutra). I used to take Tai Chi and I'm familiar with Buddhism, so I know that this stuff is real. But I did get a little warning feeling in that, for all his words about humility, he didn't seem that humble. However, I dismissed it and went on to search more about him and his teaching. The only negative thing that came up was this, but when I read it (and watched a couple of the videos linked), I realized that my "little warning" about this teacher probably had some foundation: http://www.dharmawheel.net/viewtopic.php?t=9597

    Check it out and let me know what you think... it's worth reading all of the comments.


  • Bob07's picture
    1 day ago

    I must add, though, that the Heart Sutra's teaching on "Emptiness" is wonderful and profound. And so is Tai Chi.


  • tscout's picture
    1 day ago

    wow Bob,,thanks for that link. I don't hear that guy saying it was Lama Dondrup that did or said all those obviously "not the way" things to him, but,if Dondrup has become involved with a "pay to become a Buddist" school in any fashion, then I would never get involved with him either.. The video I posted was quite old, I think the late 90's, long before this. It's funny, because he says himself in that old lecture that Buddha didn't want people to worship him, only to improve themselves,,just like Jesus told people to go within, not to look for the answers in a church. Both profound statements that are ignored by most. Unselfish love,and looking within might just be the universal laws that all religions came out of,,,so simple, yet so hard to carry out. When I was in China, I went to huge temples, more like towns, on holidays where thousands ,maybe hundreds of thousands of people go to pray to Buddha. There might be 30-40 pray stops for people, and they go to every one, and fill the donation boxes at each stop! There is a mountain of incense burning in the courtyard by a 60 ft. statue,the fire is as big as two houses, and burns all week. People are just throwing shopping bags of incense on the fire. I did it once with a new friend there and was appalled at the similarity to western churches. But there are so many people, you have to walk from at least a mile away to the little town in a herd of people,,,,,and hundreds of vendors selling incense of course,ha! I wouldn't follow anyone at this point, and I surely wouldn't worship any belief system. It's so easy to become poisoned, no matter how pure you are at any given point in your life, just as children have their creativity, pure thought, etc. drummed out of them as they grow.Or shamans who find out they can make a living selling what they have. I will take the pure things I got from his old lecture and put them into perspective. They were basic truths, and that's all we really need to do our own work. If he has been poisoned then one can only hope he finds his way back.

    As for his energy work he did there, it was the only one I have ever believed. Brian and I talked about all the videos regarding this back when I posted it. When you see a teacher controlling his students,,don't believe it, family members do that to their loved ones all the time in a variety of fashions, different types of control built up over the years. But these were supposedly strangers from an external art school,,karate. The points about rivalry were relevant, and the difference he displayed between expanding and condensed energy was something we can all learn from. Watch how the big jellyfish in the ocean move. They are like a human spine,brain,and nervous system without all the add ons. Watch how they pulse, always condensing and expanding. Now apply this to your yoga, or qigong, or taiji practice. Ancient texts say man is here to mix heaven and Earth,,in the triple burner,,the 3 dantiens. This is our life, breathing, condensing, or shrinking, sending our roots into the earth, then expanding, which expands that bubble of energy that is us, the feeling comes quite easy with a little focus on breathing .To me,the movement helps to change,,,condense, expand. When we stop doing it,,,our biological vehicle dies,ha. Ancient Taoist texts also say that man and woman mix heaven and Earth when lovemaking.Of course they're not talking about the porn that most young people are learning about sex from, but the true exchange of energy that can take place with two coherent lovers that truly balance each other. It is the secret of youth, but almost non-existent. It is so hard to find a truly balanced partner. Talking about it makes it even harder, as bringing attention to something brings it to the conscious level, and that can spoil so many energetic things ,ha. Anyways,,,if that guy has become poisoned along his path, I wish him the best in finding his way back,I think ,like many, he had pure intentions until he went out and tried to teach it....

    Oh yeah,,,I did read the comments, but they seemed to lead to a generalized view on any school that charges money to teach spirituality,,,,I guess I basically agree with them, I can't think of any school that has ever maintained it's initial purpose, and it leads back to the point about not needing someone to tell us how to live.Just take the basics and do what you can to incorporate them into your life. It's just our way here in the west to be willing to do almost anything to "get what he's got". We must really enjoy being led,,ha! I can take what he said about rivalry and apply it to my taiji, and improve myself. I don't need anything else from him. Scientifically you would say that it's all about ions, positive ions coming from the space around us, and negative ions from the Earth. We mix them and manifest our world.I relate to it that way as well. I don't need any more details to do it,,,just the practice.....


  • Bob07's picture
    6 hours ago

    Well said, Todd. I hate to be boring, but I agree with you completely.


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Noa posted a new Video in General Discussion:

Believe it or not!  It will be interesting to see how these forecasts pan out.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyE_JH5bCw0

  • tscout's picture
    2 days ago

    I can't get the sound to clear upon this vid, even when I connect to my stereo and eq it. It is posted in 4 places, but they all have that dropping out thing going on in the mic. In the beginning I heard him mention that they might use the sick card with Hillary,so close to the election that there wouldn't be time to replace her, an excuse to call off the election. If I heard correct,that would make sense to me, given how they've played it so far. It's unbelievable that they don't just call her out on it,,,but then,it's unbelievable that she is even in the race,ha! How much more outrageous can it get? If a giant hologram of Jesus appeared in the sky tonight and told us who to vote for, I think the media's only question would be about what he was wearing!


  • ChrisBowers's picture
    1 day ago

    Do you really believe what Simon says Noa? Do you have any other corroborating evidence concerning these allegations? We have done this so many times at the Gathering Spot, some fantastic claim that lures our attention, only to find later that nothing develops in relation to the far-fetched allegation.


    Don't get me wrong, I couldn't care less one way or the other at this point in the game, given the utter lack of credibility of the whole deceitful mendacious political process. Do you think there will be a HRC body double on stage tonight at the debate?


    We appear to have become a nation infatuated with celebrity and fantastic fallacious notions that makes it nearly impossible to have a reasonable sane well-informed discussion these days. Polarized fiction with lots of emotion. I am compelled to wonder where all this proud insanity is leading us???


    What's the end game of that I wonder? One thing's for sure - people in this collective frame of mind, proudly certain of fallacious nonsense, are easy prey for whatever false flag events may be coming our way in the near future. They'll eat if up like there's no tomorrow... But I digress...


    Now if you would please sit, stand or kneel for the national anthem...


  • tscout's picture
    1 day ago

    OhHHH! I missed the part about the body doubles! But, I heard some blip from Alex Jones about body doubles,,, hey,,why not? She and bill certainly have the money to keep a couple extras of themselves on the payroll. I saw an accountant who analyzed the books of the Clinton foundation speak recently, and he said there are hundreds of millions of dollars unaccounted for,,just in the Clinton Foundation,,haha! He said it's not hidden either, very easy to find. It must be nice to have that kind of protection from the IRS..


  • ChrisBowers's picture
    14 hours ago

    I like what a recent episode of South Park did with the two candidates. One was called Giant Douche, and the other was called Turd Sandwich....
    http://www.newsbusters.org/blogs/culture/alexa-moutevelis-coombs/2016/09...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oWb8hqvqqhk


  • tscout's picture
    1 day ago

    How perfect!! Why can't guys like Anonymous superimpose those names live on the debate? I would go downtown and find a tv to see that. I just came from a clients house ,A Hillary supporter who had the pre-debate nonsense on tv. I was trying to get out of there as she blabbed on and on about Hillary's 40 years of service to women's rights, Human rights,and education. Then a "BREAKING NEWS" headline flashed on the screen.It read,,,HILLARY CLINTON HAS JUST LEFT HER HOTEL TO COME TO THE DEBATE! haha! I managed to get out of there without engaging her, but just barely!


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Wendy posted a new Video in Inspirations/Transformational Stories:
  • tscout's picture
    1 week ago

    agreed


  • ChrisBowers's picture
    6 days ago

    I love how he transcended the whole experiential 5 senses 3D wetikos malignant egophrenia archon dilemma when he said, "I am infinite awareness having an experience called David Icke" Reminded me of Eckhart Tolle's writings about the "observer" transcending the entrenched ego phenomenon.


    I've been looking into the whole Archon parasite thing again recently. They must be stuffed to the gills right now with all the extremely polarized negativity being freely served up.


    As for alternative media, there is still one that gets it right and with sincere due diligence time after time, Amy Goodman at Democracy Now. I go there to witness good journalism and I go the MSM to track the manipulative BS.


    It's so sad to see MSM and many alternative media orgs subtly favoring a Trump victory because it would be so good for ratings which translates to dollars... the American motto: do what's best for me and mine, and to hell with all others.... and then complain like you have been unduly offended when it all goes to shit. "I didn't cause it!" It's not my fault!" "It's those damn democrats!" It's those damn republicans!" It's those damn Muslims!"...


    Oh how the world must stare in amazement as they witness the constant insanity emanating from the land of clueless dicks....


    Wells Fargo CEO John Stumpf tells the Senate Banking Committee he was "deeply sorry", and then gets to stay out of jail and keep his millions, but Edward Snowden, a true American hero, must remain in hiding because he cannot get a fair trial/hearing from the country he loves. WTF!!!


    All Enemies, foreign and domestic!

    All Enemies, foreign and domestic!

    All Enemies, foreign and domestic!


  • tscout's picture
    6 days ago

    Really! I like David much more since he did ayuhuasca!


  • ChrisBowers's picture
    6 days ago

    funny you say that because the intuitive feel i got when David said all he said beginning with the "I am infinite awareness having an experience called David Icke" thing was the experience one has outside themselves while on acid (or DMT or Ayahuasca) where you're forced to be the observer of so much, forced out of the self-inflicted phenomenon self occupation.


    He appears to have been liberated to his next level on his personal journey...


  • tscout's picture
    6 days ago

    Here's a short bit about his trip,,, https://youtu.be/uzpey20hQwE There are a couple of other longer interviews with him about it as well.


  • ChrisBowers's picture
    5 days ago

    "Infinite Love is the only Truth - everything else is illusion"

    Thanks David for the reminder! Pretty much says it all...

    Ohhhhhmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmaaaahhhhh


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fredburks posted a new Topic in Inspirations/Transformational Stories:

Hey awesome friends,

I invite everyone to share one or more of their favorite inspiring quotes here. Here's my all time favorite to kick it off:

"Our deepest fears are the dragons that guard our greatest treasures."  ~~  Rainer Maria Rilke
 

inspiring quotes 

  • ChrisBowers's picture
    6 days ago

    I really like that 3rd one about silence Todd!!!


    Especially in light of my favorite pet thought:


    "Consider this - there was a time, not so long ago, when well-educated men of their contemporary world were absolutely and resolutely sure, with unflinching certitude, that the sun revolved around the earth, that the earth does not spin, that the earth is flat, that the earth is the center of the universe, etc. etc. etc. ad nauseam...."


    "In light of what mankind has been so absolutely sure of at times in human history, and yet so utterly and woefully wrong about - and considering what today’s status quo might be so quickly prepared to reject because what was being offered is just too far outside the safe academic boundaries of their peer-reviewed and confidently professed norm du jour - In light of this so tenaciously common human tendency, what might today’s contemporary confident collective “we” be completely wrong about now, again, here in our present limited “traditional” well-educated understanding of the cosmos in which we find our conscious being?"


    "For all that we have been so confidently sure of throughout recorded human history, we have been completely wrong about far too much to simply ignore this all too common propensity for pontificating premature conclusions that stifle the evolutionary progress of mankind."


    "Dismissing things “out of hand” is such a common, even normal, human trait/reaction/tendency when what is being presented is outside the scope of one’s current understanding. I have come to the place where NOTHING should surprise me anymore, or you for that matter, for what do we really know while being so deeply mired and entrenched in this very sensational and very dense physical human existence? And so I do remain thoroughly excited and enthusiastic about future prospects of discovery and experiential knowledge to come, ad infinitum..."


    (an excerpt from the forward by Colin Wilson from the book, Briefing for the Landing on Planet Earth by Stuart Holroyd)


  • tscout's picture
    1 week ago

    right on! Remember the famous words of Schultz in Hogan's Heroes! "I know NO THING!!"

    Man, that memory came outta nowhere!


  • onesong's picture
    6 days ago

    From a lighter yet equally serious point of view (imo)....


    "Blessed are the cracked, for They are the Ones that let in the Light."


  • tscout's picture
    6 days ago

    halleluyah!!


  • Noa's picture
    6 days ago

    Love it, Krystine. I'm not broken, I'm just cracked.  :)


  • Eyejay's picture
    5 days ago

    You Crack me up Krystine ..............


    So for some added Wisdom I offer this





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onesong posted a new Topic in Healing/Health:

Please take some time to look into this, it involves involuntary vaccines, potential confinement during travel to and from the U.S. etc.  We should all be watchful and writing to the powers that be regarding how unacceptable the following 'rules' are to each of us.

https://www.federalregister.gov/documents/2016/08/15/2016-18...

  • tscout's picture
    1 week ago

    I got this from greenmedinfo.com


    Apprehension, Detainment, and Vaccination for Suspicion of Infection: The CDC’s Quarantine Proposal

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    Sayer Ji, Founder

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    Apprehension, Detainment, and Vaccination for Suspicion of Infection: The CDC’s Quarantine Proposal


    You’ve had this dry cough for a couple of days but are otherwise feeling ready for your much awaited annual ski trip to Utah. On the security line, an officer signals for you to come with him. Not knowing why you’re being selected out of the crowd, you follow to learn that you meet criteria for quarantine. Sound like science fiction?


    In what appears to be an unprecedented power grab, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) in the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) just issued a proposed amendment to its domestic and foreign quarantine regulations giving itself the power to legally apprehend, detain (isolate or quarantine), and treat (including vaccinate) anyone simply for suspicion of being infected by a communicable agent.


    The legal authority to isolate and quarantine, according to the CDC’s own words, are “police power” functions, “derived from the right of the state to take action affecting individuals for the benefit of society.” Incidentally, the CDC/HHS police powers were not obtained democratically through the normal “bottom up” legislative process and final Congressional approval, but rather through the bypass of a Presidential Executive Order.


    The new proposed CDC/HHS regulations are contained in the Federal Register dated August 15, 2016, under the heading, “Control of Communicable Diseases—Notice of Proposed Rulemaking.”


    Whereas previous regulations concerning quarantinable infection focused on extraordinarily rare and presumably lethal forms of infection, e.g. novel forms of H1N1, Ebola virus, the new regulations carry a much broader and ominously more nebulous definition:


    By its terms, subsection (a) does not seek to limit the types of communicable diseases for which regulations may be enacted, but rather applies to all communicable diseases that may impact human health.


    The CDC/HHS radically changed their definition of what constitutes an “ill person” ” by including a wide range of vague symptoms such as ill appearance and headache in lieu of objective signs, now to be formally assessed by officials without medical training (ie flight attendant, transportation worker).


    Moreover, simply being identified as having been at risk of recent exposure makes one classifiable as having a “precommunicable disease,” which can thereby result in one’s apprehension and quarantine.


    HHS/CDC defines precommunicable stage to mean the stage beginning upon an individual’s earliest opportunity for exposure to an infectious agent and ending upon the individual entering or reentering the communicable stage of the disease or, if the individual does not enter the communicable stage, the latest date at which the individual could reasonably be expected to have the potential to enter or reenter the communicable stage…


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    Disclaimer: This article is not intended to provide medical advice, diagnosis or treatment. Views expressed here do not necessarily reflect those of GreenMedInfo or its staff.


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    Essentially, you can be arrested for simply be suspected of being infected, or having been recently exposed to an infectious agent.


    Being apprehended and quarantined without due process is one affront to your civilrights, but being forcibly treated is another:


    “CDC may enter into an agreement with an individual, upon such terms as the CDC considers to be reasonably necessary, indicating that the individual consents to any of the public health measures authorized under this part, including quarantine, isolation, conditional release, medical examination, hospitalization, vaccination, and treatment: provided that the individual’s consent shall not be considered as a prerequisite to any exercise of any authority under this part.” [italics added]


    Adding an almost surreal, Orwellian layer to the CDC/HHS ruling, once an individual is released from custody and/or mandatory treatment, the individual would be subject to ongoing surveillance and tracking:


    HHS/CDC has proposed a definition for ‘electronic or internet-based monitoring’ that defines this term as referring to mechanisms or technologies allowing for the temporary public health supervision of an individual under conditional release, including electronic mail, SMS texts, video conference or webcam technologies, integrated voice-response systems, entry of information into a web-based forum, wearable tracking technologies, and other mechanisms or technologies as determined by the Director or supervising health authority.”


    If you have been following the trail of germ warfare efforts supported by government and media, you may sense a crescendo mounting. These unprecedented efforts to apply more and more control are, themselves, the sign of a failing paradigm. It is upon us as a conscious collective to hold this space for bodily integrity, free will, and personal health beliefs and we have an opportunity to do just that until October 14, 2016. .


    The CDC’s proposal is open for comments. Make your voice heard now. Submit your comment here.


  • tscout's picture
    1 week ago

    Here's a more recent update, and a call to action


    CDC's Alarming Quarantine/Communicable Disease Proposal Draws Call To Action from Health Freedom Organization


    CDC's Alarming Quarantine/Communicable Disease Proposal Draws Urgent Response from Health Freedom Organization


    National Health Freedom Action responds to the CDC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) regarding Communicable Disease issued on August 15, 2016, encouraging citizens and organizations to ask for the immediate halt of this proposed rulemaking process until the CDC can design regulations that first and foremost protect the rights of all Americans in their self-determination and personal health privacy and liberty.

    National Health Freedom Action (NHFA) Response to

    CDC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking on Communicable Disease

    September 9, 2016


    Written by Diane Miller, Director of Law and Public Policy for National Health Freedom Action


    www.nationalhealthfreedom.org


    In response to the CDC Notice of Proposed Rulemaking (NPRM) regarding Communicable Disease issued on August 15, 2016, and in response to the many inquiries to NHFA and the many posts suggesting that the CDC has proposed a shocking new power grab over personal liberties we offer these comments.


    1. Most importantly, there is a great need to send comments into the CDC regarding this NPRM, recommending deletions or revisions, citing specific paragraphs of concern. These specific types of comments will be able to be responded to by the CDC.


    2. Secondly, it is very important that Americans know the current laws and regulations for communicable disease control in order assess what is new in the NPRM.


    3. And third, NHFA points to three areas of immediate concern.


    a. The NPRM’s proposed addition of mandatory reporting by carriers and employees of borders, of all people moving between states and into the U.S. who display ill symptoms that may reasonably be considered communicable disease instead of the current policy of investigation of persons reasonably believed to be impacted by an outbreak.


    b. The NPRM’s proposed addition of an option for people to voluntarily enter into an “agreement” with the federal government CDC, if they plan to comply with a federal order of quarantine, isolation, or conditional release, rather than trusting that people will avoid criminal penalties of breaking the federal order on their own without an agreement. The agreement to follow CDC recommendations may make it more difficult for a person to decline or make medical treatment choices while under surveillance.


    c. The NPRM’s lack of detail included in the due process provisions which articulate an effort to strongly protect individual preferences and protection of civil liberties during a federal order of quarantine, isolation, and conditional release.

    NHFA’s Comments:


    The CDC currently has broad powers to apprehend persons moving across interstate borders and entering the U.S. from international locations regarding communicable diseases and other health concerns. These laws and regulations have been adopted over the past 15 years.

    The NPRM works to educate readers on the current law as follows:


    “Section 361(a) (42 U.S.C. 264(a) states that the Secretary may make and enforce regulations as necessary to prevent the introduction, transmission, and spread of ’communicable diseases’ from foreign countries into the United States or from one state or possession (U.S. territory) into any other state or possession (U.S. territory). By its terms, subsection (a) does not seek to limit the types of communicable diseases for which regulations may be enacted, but rather applies to all communicable diseases that may impact human health. Section 361(a) (42 U.S.C. 264(a)) further authorizes the Secretary to promulgate and enforce a variety of public health regulations to prevent the spread of these communicable diseases including: Inspection, fumigation, disinfection, sanitation, pest extermination, destruction of animals or articles found to be sources of dangerous infection to human beings, and other measures.


    In contrast, section 361(b) (42 U.S.C. 264(b)) authorizes the ’apprehension, detention, or conditional release’ of individuals for the purpose of preventing the introduction, transmission, and spread of a limited subset of communicable diseases, specifically those communicable diseases specified in an Executive Order of the President, upon recommendation of the Secretary in consultation with the Surgeon General. HHS/CDC refers to this limited subset of communicable diseases as ’quarantinable communicable diseases’ because these are the communicable disease for which by statute quarantine, isolation, or conditional release are authorized.” NPRM at p. 54232-54233


    An example of a part of the current official rules adopted in past years is the following:


    42 Code of Federal Regulation 70.6 - Apprehension and detention of persons with specific diseases.

    § 70.6 Apprehension and detention of persons with specific diseases.

    Regulations prescribed in this part authorize the detention, isolation, quarantine, or conditional release of individuals, for the purpose of preventing the introduction, transmission, and spread of the communicable diseases listed in an Executive Order setting out a list of quarantinable communicable diseases, as provided under section 361(b) of the Public Health Service Act. Executive Order 13295, of April 4, 2003, as amended by Executive Order 13375 of April 1, 2005, contains the current revised list of quarantinable communicable diseases, and may be obtained at http://www.cdc.gov/quarantine and http://www.archives.gov/federal_register. If this Order is amended, HHS will enforce that amended order immediately and update its Web site.

    [77 FR 75884, Dec. 26, 2012]


    With the detailed laws already passed, it is important to decipher what in fact this NPRM is attempting to accomplish, and what parts of it are new and dangerous threats to personal liberties. These are the areas that NHFA believes are most important:


    a. It appears that the CDC is attempting to move towards mandatory reporting by carriers and border personnel, requiring reporting of persons with signs of illness as they cross borders, as opposed to having to do large scale individual contact interviews and investigations after an outbreak occurs. This change would definitely impact all travelers and travel information and be invasive to the privacy of travelers as they would be pre-observed for illness (defined more broadly than previous definitions), and reported on by carriers, and possibly be unnecessarily detained, as a preventive measure.


    It is one thing to interview 1000 persons that have been on flights after the fact of exposure, yet another thing to screen all the millions of people moving from state to state or into the U.S. for illness. We believe that this mandatory reporting of all sick people that move about is bizarre and unfounded and is an attempt by the government to try and control all of life and all of life outcomes, to the extent that they have lost all perspective of what it means to be freely on the earth, communing with all of life, and the ability for people to be responsible for the risks that they take in travel arrangements. We believe that the cases of outbreaks cited in the NPRM have been handled adequately in the past, and at a price that is much less than the price of invading all persons’ personal liberty and privacy.


    This is the stated rationale:


    “70.11 would improve HHS/CDC’s ability to receive reports of symptomatic interstate travelers allowing for more efficient evaluation and enabling HHS/CDC to expedite its domestic response activities, (e.g. distributing Passenger Locator Forms) to more quickly and efficiently locate and assess exposed travelers, and mitigate the spread of disease.” NPRM at p. 54236.


    and


    “CDC is currently working with DHS/ CBP to update existing DHS/CBP regulations that will require the electronic collection and submission of additional passenger and crew contact information to the Advance Passenger Information System (APIS) which would streamline the collection of additional data to minimize the burden on airline operators and travelers.” NPRM at pg. 54237.


    b. Secondly, CDC is attempting to make new rules that provide for persons to voluntarily enter into an agreement with the federal government when detained or apprehended regarding compliance with the federal quarantine order, as a way to give the federal government documentation and assurance that a person plans to carry out the health measures with which the federal government wants him/her to comply, and as a way to check up on him/her as he/she is in the process of quarantine, isolation and conditional release.


    We believe that offering an opportunity for people to enter into a contract, or an “agreement”, is confusing and misleading because people may not realize the potential unintended consequences of consenting to such an agreement and that, even without an agreement, the federal order for quarantine, isolation, and conditional release would be in place and require people to abide by it or be criminally penalized.


    So, this begs the question, why would the CDC want to recommend an agreement?


    Ҥ 70.18 Agreements.

    CDC may enter into an agreement with an individual, upon such terms as the CDC considers to be reasonably necessary, indicating that the individual consents to any of the public health measures authorized under this part, including quarantine, isolation, conditional release, medical examination, hospitalization, vaccination, and treatment; provided that the individual’s consent shall not be considered as a prerequisite to the exercise of any authority under this part.” NPRM at pg. 54312


    Under current law the federal government has authorized “…the Secretary to promulgate and enforce a variety of public health regulations to prevent the spread of these communicable diseases including: Inspection, fumigation, disinfection, sanitation, pest extermination, destruction of animals or articles found to be sources of dangerous infection to human beings, and other measures. (Section 361(a) (42 U.S.C. 264(a)).


    But in our analysis, we found no mandates under the current quarantine laws that point to the ability of the government to force treatments on people in quarantine, isolation, or conditional release. We believe that people still have the right of informed consent. We also think that persons entering into these agreements would, without realizing it, agree to undergo federally recommended health care treatments and lose their right to decline recommended treatment measures, including vaccines and other treatments.


    The NPRM gives the impression of non-invasiveness by proposing clarification of the bounds of their authority regarding what they can do to a person’s body by recommending a new definition of “Medical Examination”. But that new definition would state that the CDC could order laboratory testing under certain conditions. In addition, since physical examination would be a subset of the overall “medical examination” definition, CDC is recommending creation of a definition for “Non-invasive” in order to clarify the boundary of their authority when doing physical exams. Additionally, CDC recommends adding a broad definition for “Public Health Prevention Measure” (see definitions below).


    But nowhere does the NPRM mention that the CDC would have the authority to force health care “vaccinations and treatments” except in the “agreement language”, which people would enter into voluntarily. This is a real problem that many people may not understand.


    “Medical examination means the assessment of an individual by an authorized health worker to determine the individual’s health status and potential public health risk to others and may include the taking of a medical history, a physical examination, and collection of human biological samples for laboratory testing as may be needed to diagnose or confirm the presence or extent of infection with a quarantinable communicable disease.”


    “Non-invasive means procedures conducted by an authorized health worker or another individual with suitable training and includes the physical examination of the ear, nose, and mouth; temperature assessments using an ear, oral, cutaneous, or noncontact thermometer, or thermal imaging; auscultation; external palpation; external measurement of blood pressure; and other procedures not involving the puncture or incision of the skin or insertion of an instrument or foreign material into the body or a body cavity excluding the ear, nose and mouth.”


    “Public health prevention measures means the assessment of an individual through non-invasive procedures and other means, such as observation, questioning, review of travel documents, records review, and other non-invasive means, to determine the individual’s health status and potential public health risk to others.”


    The NPRM should have included strong language in the agreement criteria ensuring that the contracted person, or their parent or legal guardian, would be at all times able to refuse medical treatments including vaccines, and that all medical treatments and vaccines would ONLY be given after informed consent of the person receiving said treatment.

    This is an area where comments would be very important. Giving notice to people that they do not have to enter into an agreement with the federal government, and that they do not have to comply with any recommended medical treatments or vaccines, even though the federal government may have the right to detain them, put them in isolation or quarantine with due process, etc. Therefore, language must be added to give people notice and to protect the ability of persons to decline medical treatments as a condition of their release from quarantine or other form of apprehension.


    c. Lastly, the CDC NPRM is addressing the transparency of their existing power. The NPRM states that “[t]hese changes are not intended to provide HHS/CDC with new regulatory authorities, but rather to clarify the agency’s standard operating procedures and policies with regard to existing regulations in 42 CFR parts 70 and 71 including due process rights for individuals.” Further, it provides that

    “this NPRM contains due process provisions (requirements relating to administrative records, quarantine, isolation, conditional release, medical examination, and agreements; authorization for payment for medical care and treatment; and an explanation of applicable criminal penalties) which are intended to inform the U.S. public of what steps HHS/CDC might take to protect public health during an outbreak while safeguarding the rights of the individual. Although these processes have been implemented through internal standard operating procedures, these procedures have not been codified, explicitly set forth in regulation, and made publicly available until today. These provisions are needed to provide transparency and assure the traveling public and any individual potentially placed under a Federal public health order that HHS/ CDC will protect their individual liberties.” NPRM at p. 54237.


    NHFA supports the transparency of due process for all citizens, including providing strong notice to persons of their civil and human rights. There is a need for language in the NPRM that will make it clear that the government, when pursuing quarantine, isolation, and conditional release, is to be forever vigilant of the rights of the individual and is to use the least restrictive means of detaining, apprehension, or confinement, at all times, including allowing persons to be able to be in their own home, with family, and with the type of health care treatments that they themselves deem beneficial for their health and survival.


    Specific criteria to always protect the right of persons under a federal order to decline treatments, vaccines, and anything that is invasive to their bodies, including laboratory testing, is essential. A special note, NHFA does not support forcing a person to undergo laboratory testing for any reason without informed consent, and would argue that a person always maintains the right of quarantine and isolation as an option and alternative to laboratory testing of any kind.

    In Conclusion:


    NHFA encourages citizens and organization to ask for the immediate halt of this proposed rulemaking process until the CDC can design regulations that first and foremost protect the rights of all Americans in their self-determination and personal health privacy and liberty. NHFA encourages CDC to have regulations that do not misguide people or coerce them into agreements of compliance of federal recommendations while they are in crisis, or that infringe on the liberties and personal health privacy of people in their daily life events as they move about and travel. Regulations are needed that can address reasonable coping mechanisms for communicable diseases that involve immediate access to clean and healthful water, air, and environments, and access to the broad range of health care practitioners, products and options that individuals desire during a crisis to promote health and prevention. CDC must work to avoid forced treatments of any kind, always honoring informed consent principles of all individuals. And to utilize quarantine, isolation, and surveillance in the least restrictive mode and with full due process, as a very last resort in addressing communicable disease.


    You can read the entire 88-page document here.

    Public Comments Are Open Until October 14th, 2016


    Submit a comment here.


    Note: Please address specific points about the rulemaking that you disagree with, as these are the comments most likely to be impactful. As stated in the article: "Recommend deletions or revisions, citing specific paragraphs of concern. These specific types of comments will be able to be responded to by the CDC."


    Additional Quote and Reading


    "... the power to forcibly detain and confine a person is an extraordinary power and, like all government powers in a civilized democracy, can never go unchecked. Public health authorities make mistakes, and politicians abuse their powers. For example, there is a history of discriminatory use of the quarantine power against particular groups of people based on race and national origin. Quarantine and isolation must be last resorts that are employed only after less restrictive alternatives have been employed and failed, or are impossible to use under the circumstances. In the vast majority of cases, sick individuals are the first to want proper medical attention and need no encouragement or state coercion to voluntarily isolate themselves."


  • Noa's picture
    6 days ago

    Scary shit!


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Great quotes from Jamie Sams in her most profound book "Dancing the Dream":

  • esrw02's picture
    2 weeks ago

    My mother passed it on to me, I love it !!! awesome stuff !!!!!


  • onesong's picture
    2 weeks ago

    Since we're sharing quotations here's two that are relevant to where I am lately-


    from Alan Cohen,

    "It takes a lot of courage to release the familiar and seemingly secure, to embrace the new. But there is no real security in what is no longer meaningful. There is more security in the adventurous and exciting, for in movement there is life, and in change there is power."


    From Parker J. Palmer,

    "Vocation does not come from willfulness. It comes from listening...Before you tell your life what you intend to do with it, listen for what it intends to do with you."

    I'm listening.....Bright blessings, k


  • fredburks's picture
    2 weeks ago

    Love it, Kristyne! Here's one that is profound for me:


    "The less I am attached to my version of reality, to my version of truth, the more easy it is for me to have compassion for others and to experience the world from their point of view."


  • tscout's picture
    2 weeks ago

    I really like that one Fred


  • Noa's picture
    1 week ago

    Yeah, team!


  • esrw02's picture
    1 week ago

    You must be the change you wish to see in the world!!!!!!!!! Gandhi


    Famous but very true !


    EE


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This whole thing, was just great to watch and understand ...

 

 

 

 

  • esrw02's picture
    3 weeks ago

    wow !!!!


  • tscout's picture
    1 week ago

    finally got time, and the techie mood to watch this. It's so interesting to see how this generations' minds work. I was most interested in the point where quantum effects ceased to manifest. The man says that they had only been observed in micro sizes,,,,,,like the famous wave particle experiments. Then these guys created quantum effects with superconductors. Still tiny,,,but that line they crossed was huge! That was where he got the idea to build a quantum computer. I don't find it interesting because I have some great interest in computers. I find it interesting because I see them as some twisted "physical" version of what we are capable of. It's like we have to build it physically before we can conceive of doing it ourselves,,,,of accessing that part of our self that has always been capable of manifesting matter, or so many other things we think are impossible. So,,every time I read of some big "breakthrough", I wonder when,,,and what, the mind's next step will be! And the quantum breakthrough was around the year 2000. Now,,,,being in the physical realm, and even with all the steps taken to speed up development, it is still in the baby stages. The news we see every day doesn't reflect the evolution of our minds,(we get the same old crap,meant to stall that evolution), but when I look around and see all the amazing children coming here with focus on their life's work, and even more extraordinary,the people who drastically change themselves, even after a lifetime of bombardment of "propaganda,,,,,,I think it may be true.We are taking the same steps in our growth of consciousness as a race. Even if they do learn to access parallel worlds, or universes,,,it brings the possibilities to the light, and on some level, maybe we start to "remember" that we don't need billion dollar computers to do this. Our nature,,,especially in the west,is not to believe anything is possible until we "see it with our own eyes". That fits here! Now, if we don't lose sight of the fact that we, our bodies and minds and consciousness ARE supercomputers,,,,then what's to stop us? It's not about funding! Just development, and like the quantum computer's need to be free of any interference, our minds need to be free of all the "interference" put in front of us on a daily basis, then our"quantum effects" can begin to manifest! Whew!Just imagine what we can do!


  • ChrisBowers's picture
    1 week ago

    "It's like we have to build it physically before we can conceive of doing it ourselves,,,,of accessing that part of our self that has always been capable of manifesting matter, or so many other things we think are impossible"


    I have thought the same thing Todd for some time now!!! I hope it is true, build it physically to finally reveal that we have the inherent capability to transcend the physical equipment.


    The two major hurdles for any developing evolving intelligent humanoid species, the splitting of the atom and the evolution of technology (do we get lost in the jungle of technological advancement, or learn to finally transcend it for the most part and retain our sovereignty, or do we hand sovereignty over to the advancing convenience factor of developing technology...)


  • tscout's picture
    1 week ago

    Right on Chris. I think we all travel to parallel worlds, or universes every night. Of course, we have to be completely quiet, in sleep mode, no interference. The quantum computer is the same way,,,,18 layers of shielding, super low temperatures to negate anything else from interfering. It's interesting that they say they're producing temps colder than space, down to 3 kelvin. So that whole giant box is just a super refrigerator with that tiny chip(processor) inside. Did you see them uncover it? It was like the Pineal gland in the middle of all that cauliflower,ha!

    I had a teacher in high school who told me to go to sleep every night on my back, staring at my hands. It was pretty hard,holding my hands up in front of me,ha. At first, I would fall asleep, my hands would drop, hit me in the face, and wake me up,ha! but,after a few weeks, I started to wake up floating above my bed,,,then,eventually was able to leave my room, then down the hall, then the stairs, then out the door. I was so dumb,,,all I had to do was think myself anywhere I wanted to go,,,,but I would spend a week just trying to think myself through the door... By the time I was 21,,I had lost it,,,consciously anyways, as I let myself get caught up in all the drama of everyday life. But,,,,to me, that first time I woke up looking down at myself was like when they made the jump in creating quantum effects in the macro versus the micro. I guess the veil we live under is like that line we need to cross. Then, once we see that there is more than the 5 senses we overload everyday, and how much more "real" they are, we can get on with it. Maybe we are far ahead of where they are with these quantum computers,and we just don't know it. I guess that would bring us to your point. When they start showing off these things to us, will be just let them link us to it,(because it's easier), or do the work to bring out our own true power..... Looking around, my guess is that most will take the easy way first,,, then eventually it will be "cooler" to not need to be "hooked up", like being "all natural",,ha. I hope we make it!


  • ChrisBowers's picture
    1 week ago

    I think a remnant of primarily indigo millennials are quite naturally well on their way toward the next evolutionary leap. It is the way of the Novelty Engine Cosmos, the First Source Modus Operandi,

    the Preeminent Primordial Original Intent, the Prime Directive,


    To forever evolve, cooperate, generate, translate, transition, transform,


    octave after octave, pleased to have no end in sight...


    may we jog our genetic memories to remember what we already know...


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Interview with truth teller Monika Schaefer

I have to say that this definitely doesn't sound like "hate speech" to me.

http://glaringhypocrisy.com/glaring-hypocrisy-interview-monika-schaefer/

http://www.haaretz.com/jewish/news/1.732008

http://freespeechcanada.blogspot.com/

  • esrw02's picture
    2 months ago

    It was the force behind the coalition that tells the tale of truth ,pure evil British empire at the time . Notice who always sat in the middle,Churchill . Hellstorm is the German side of what happen . Regular folk !!


  • Noa's picture
    1 month ago

    Yes, Eric, interesting how your link was blocked by the BBC in my country "on copyright grounds." But I found this link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B75nil5m8d4 that I believe is the same video.  Hard to watch.  Perhaps some of the allied forces were motivated by the London bombings of 1940.  Thanks for sharing Germany's perspective.  I'm glad the truth is coming out.


    Now we see the Israelis subjugating the Palestinians in the largest open-air concentration camp in history while the world stands by. None of this carnage is justified, no matter who is doing it. 


    What can we do to prevent atrocities like these from happening gain?   How can we live in peace?


     


  • esrw02's picture
    1 month ago

    That Link was a shortened version weird . Yes , the truth will set us free one stone at a time being removed >>>>>>>>>>.....................................


  • tscout's picture
    1 month ago

    Agreed Bob,, I watched the docu last night. I guess it would have been twice as long if it was showing what the 3rd reich was doing at the same time. Still,,it was even more shocking to see the myriad of ways that the allies killed millions of Germans,,,for the sake of being German. Maybe the soldiers who committed these crimes would all plead insanity if charged with their crimes, blaming the war and their experiences leading up to the marches into Germany.

    It shocks me to see what we're capable of. I know of the horrors committed by the armies, and others in stealing this country from the Indigenous people here, reducing the indigenous population by about 19 million, a genocide which is still ongoing. But,,as a boy, I had a special interest in ww2. I actually used to skip classes and spend hours in the library reading everything I could find about ww2. But I never found what I thought was a complete picture of what went on. So I watched this docu, knowing the "western" version of how it went down, and was shocked, but also felt that I just received something to balance out the version that never seemed quite right. I also find it amazing that Germany ever recovered from what looked like Syria times 100, the total destruction of the culture there. I despise war so much, I can only chalk up my infatuation with it for years as some sort of past life experience. I did have a vivid dream as a boy of being shot as I came over a ridge. It was clear,and simple, and I fell back into my body and awoke each time I had the dream. I come over a ridge,,,see the gun barrel pointing at me,then,,in an instant, I am out of my body.....I guess that would make me one of the lucky ones, compared to the suffering of so many others.

    Still,,,I have no "opinion" on the subject presented here,,the truth will be revealed to all of us when we are ready. I am more interested in if we have gotten past being able to be drawn into that mindset, even when put in a situation like this again,,,,,,,because it seems that we are getting pulled in that direction now. What will we do this time?


  • Bob07's picture
    1 month ago

    Interesting indeed what you say, Todd, about your dream and your fascination with WWII. I, too, have always had a disturbed fascination with war and its details, probably mostly with WWII, but also with WWI and the Civil War. There's also a strong pull toward war at sea in sailing ships. And for me as well, it feels related to past-life experience. I'm not saying that I was in all three of these wars -- although that's not impossible, But I do feel that I know intimately what war is -- the horror, the stench, the fear, the death and despair -- even though in this lifetime I have not had military experience. There are certain movies I just can't watch without actually trembling; I can remember especially "Apocalypse Now" and "Catch-22". There are other reportedly excellent war films that I dare not go near.


    The only specific thing that keeps coming back to me is the feeling of having completely come to the end of my physical strength, my energy of spirit, my ability to endure, and having to let go, feeling a profound sense of failure and betrayal of others for letting death take me. Wow. I never really spelled it out like that. Anyway, that's part of my baggage this time around. But it's okay, I can handle it, transform it.


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fredburks posted a new Video in Political Activism/Cover-ups:

Profound, 10-minute video on how the life of an Iraq vet was completely transformed. Wow!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7xQxHXETMGA

  • tscout's picture
    4 weeks ago

    It must be awful to be a soldier. It must take a lot of "brainwashing" to keep most of them doing what they're told. So nice to see one over ride the program. We've seen many just turn into protesters against war,,,but to see one straight out talk about love is uplifting, and hopefully will lead to more


  • ChrisBowers's picture
    4 weeks ago

    Moving transformation! I hope this is the real revolution not being widely televised during this crayzee wacko wetiko-virus-malignant-egophrenia time that is being so widely televised worldwide (because the ratings are so much higher on dark sensationalism than an amazing human/humane transformation towards inner and outer peace).

    But alas, this video is from July of 2011 and there are just over 2,000 views. I look forward to the time when this is the kind of video that goes viral instead of some Trump or Clinton video, or trivial cute kitty video. Or maybe a flood of transformation videos going viral, peppered with the occasional cute kitty video?


  • tscout's picture
    4 weeks ago

    haha! yeah,,,a cute kitty transformation video!


  • Noa's picture
    3 weeks ago

    No problem, Chris. Repost, repost, repost until it goes viral.


    Conor Curran and Josh Stieber gave this interview in 2009 during their Pronoia bike tour https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLZUEfKrRII#t=298.560375 . Before the audio cuts out, they describe how a bleak situation turns into a synchronistic encounter.  Life is magic.


  • esrw02's picture
    3 weeks ago

    . You change beyond your wildest dreams !!! WOW!