A Conversation with Noam Chomsky

After reading Professor Kevin Barrett's correspondence with Noam Chomsky concerning the events of September 11, 2001, I decided to write to Chomsky myself to see if I could get a response. To my great surprise and gleeful pleasure, he responded the next day! Here is Dr. Kevin Barrett's correspondence link http://www.barrettforcongress.us/chomsky.htm

The following is my email to Noam Chomsky, his reply, and my reply to his reply (I will post here if he replies again).

Hi Noam,
My name is Chris Bowers here in Spokane, WA (got to hear you a few years ago when you were here) and after reading the lengthy exchange you had with Professor K. Barrett, I understand the logical/sensible position you have adopted much better concerning the events of September 11, 2001. I understand that you can only do so much and must prioritize, especially at your age when you must be quite aware that you only have so much time left to do what you can anyway. I also believe you won the "academic" debate (as classic debating contests go here in the states) because so many debate contest victories are simply reduced to "number of casualties" in the final analysis.

I have personally researched the events of September 11 for about 3 years now because I was so fed up with some of my friends constantly droning on about it like it was some kind of new religious cult. There was finally (for me), after much research (from a neutral-to-hostile position), a defining moment when I knew something was very wrong with the officially-sanctioned story and NIST report. It came in the form of researching building 7 and watching it fall straight down into its footprint (without damaging any adjacent buildings, or streets for that matter) at near free fall speed (6.5 seconds). I am an architect and have worked intimately with structural engineers all my professional life and one thing structural engineers are widely known for is structural overkill to the chagrin of the architect's budget. They simply do not ever want any project coming back on them (stands to reason). Building 7 was an asymmetrical steel structure due to an existing facility it had to span over. The only possible way to make that building fall straight down at near freefall speed was by very careful and artful design and engineering forethought. The "pulling" of building seven was a thing of beauty from a demolition firm's perspective. I wont bore you with the blatant structural/physics details of the twin towers right now, but suffice it to say that there simply was not enough energy in an airliner full of kerosene, the law of gravity and a class alpha fire for a global collapse of those reference standard steel structures at near freefall speed. Its not even close! If you were aware of the amount of energy required to do what we all saw happen to those towers, you would be quite convinced by that alone.

I know you have "prioritized" the events of 9-11 far down your "to do" list as per the "number of casualties" equation, and very rightly so from a logical perspective. What I am imploring you to do is to just keep an open mind and consider the possibility that the events of September 11th are very much the "touchstone" of this present despotic era we find ourselves in today. You must know by now the dumbed-down masses will never understand the larger atrocities you so rightly prioritize (too busy with American Idol, Survivor and Dancing with the Stars), but they may very well be sufficiently moved en mass "politically" if they were to truly understand and "viscerally" realize the "lesser" atrocities (as per number of casualties) conducted on 9-11 when they finally understand that it was virtually impossible for 4 airliners to do what they did that morning without someone(s) in high places issuing stand down orders on the military side of things. That is something that Bin Laden could never have done, as well as prepping those structures for controlled demolition. Those who have already come forward from the military/national defense/NORAD/NEADS are very clear on this matter. That alone should scare the poop out of most people considering we are talking about national security and a trillion dollar system (best in the world) that had worked so well right up to that fateful morning. I propose to you that "the Barbarians are inside the gates" and the "dramatic/dynamic" details of September 11 can very possibly be just enough, when truly understood/considered, to take the wheel from these dark despotic maniacs once and for all (or at least for a good while).

So please keep an open mind on this important "touchstone" and consider how many were condemned to death the minute "they" got away with this and used it to go to war in Central Asia/Caspian Basin and Middle East to secure energy and usher in their geopolitical design as per men like Leo Strauss and Bernard Lewis (have you ever seen Bernard Lewis' redrawn map of Iran?). If the American people and world community could prosecute the perps responsible for the events of 9-11, it would set these despots so far back that it just might give us enough time to change the way things are done globally, and set up a viable/unassailable world court system that would not be controlled by these evil power brokers. You might look at it like Capone being imprisoned for the lesser charge of tax evasion, LOL.....

Sincerely working beside you for the same cause of world peace and proper equity among all men and women (and other life forms for that matter),
Chris Bowers

Noam Chomsky's reply (this goes a long way in explaining how Chomsky is not a left wing "gatekeeper", but an old warrior who has his logical priorities (with only so much time left) and has a big bone to pick with how the "9-11 Truth Movement" has conducted itself.

Thanks for your letter.

I don't have the technical competence to evaluate what happened to building 7, and for reasons too obvious to mention, don't intend to take the time to gain it. So, as I have tried to explain over and over, I treat the matter as I (and other scientists) do any technical matter outside our specific area of competence: wait for publication in some standard scientific source and see what the reaction is of competent scientists and engineers. To my knowledge, that hasn't happened.

Suppose it was a controlled demolition. Then comes the next question. Who could have done it? Here there is another question outside my technical competence. Would it have been harder for bin Laden to arrange than for Bush? Not easy to argue. But there is a much more significant question. Who gains by blowing up Building 7 and attributing it to Saudi hijackers? Surely not Bush-Cheney-et al. They were presumably seeking to build support for an invasion of Iraq, and the Saudi connection undermines their plans -- as well as seriously prejudicing their relations with one of their most valued allies, not to speak of the embarrassment of having to fly their Saudi cronies out of the country afterwards in violation of their own air space restrictions. So it would be necessary to explain why after all this elaborate planning and cover-up, the deliberately chose to shoot themselves in the foot.

On the other hand, for bin Laden it's a dream come true: the Saudis are his main enemy, and harming their relations with the US is a very high objective.

So the logical conclusion from the assumption that it was a controlled demolition is that bin Laden is responsible. In fact, this would be the first significant evidence tracing it back to bin Laden. As I've repeatedly pointed out in print, the FBI conceded long after that they couldn't do so.

On Norad, etc., that doesn't seem to me very convincing. It's what's called in the trade a "normal accident." We just saw a spectacular example: the flight of a nuclear-armed bomber across the country, violating the highest imaginable security conditions, and taken seriously enough to lead to the firing of the secretary of the air force and air force commander. Study of the record of intelligence reveals astonishing examples, much beyond what's alleged on 9/11.

I'm not persuaded that it would make much difference to the public if it were traced to Bush-Cheney. In fact, we have evidence about that. Polls indicate that something like 30% of the population either believe it or think it's plausible. Result? A yawn. Not even minimal protests, let alone civil disobedience, law suits, etc. I also don't share your feeling that people don't care about the real crimes. Half a century of activism has convinced me otherwise.

But I certainly agree with your advice to keep an open mind. Suppose that those who are competent to judge do go public in forums of the kind that others can evaluate (as with intelligent design, global warming skepticism, etc.), and can somehow explain why Bush-Cheney would have chosen to shoot themselves in the foot by blaming Saudis (plus a whole lot more that has to be explained, clearly). Suppose they really put forward a convincing case. That would certainly be important. Bush, Cheney, and a few others would receive the death sentence, and the Republican party would have to be reconstituted somehow. It's not clear to me that there would be any other consequences, and in fact it would be easily absorbed, I think, by the reigning doctrinal system, which is willing to tolerate "bad apples" but not institutional critique, of the kind that would be deflected by this operation.

Anyway, those seem to me reasonable judgments. To date, the only notable effect of the "Truth Movement" has been to divert large amounts of time and energy away from action to stop really serious crimes. And I'd be surprised if it will be different in the future -- though of course I'll keep an open mind about that too.

Noam

My reply to his reply: Thank you so much for your quick response Noam! I cant tell you how honored I am that you took the time (being that you are one of my dissent heroes)! I understand completely your logical and rational reasons and I will be waiting with you for those more professionally appropriate to deliver some kind of peer reviewed publication(s) and see what the professional world's response is. I do not know who would have set those demolition charges, or had the time/opportunity to do so (Controlled Demolition Inc.?) and how/why, but what I am quite sure of from my extensive experience with highly redundant steel structure high rise design and the widely-distributed video evidence of the global collapse (from fire) of the first three steel structures in the history of steel structure design is we were witnessing the carefully planned and very professional demolition of three highly redundant steel structures on that morning. I do not claim to know all of the benefits that that would have provided the "perps", but I suspect that Larry Silverstein and the NY Port Authority were two immediate beneficiaries financially and logistically. The Port Authority had made two formal requests to "pull" the twin towers prior to Sept. 11, but the asbestos fireproofing made that a non starter and it would have cost more than the towers were worth to carefully remove the asbestos and/or bring the towers down piece by piece. They were also having alot of trouble keeping occupancy at a fiscally reasonable level and the aluminum exterior connected to the steel structures was beginning to deteriorate at the connections (how did the designers overlook that little design flaw? forest for the trees syndrome?). Also, Larry Silverstein, along with his financial partners, took out an insurance policy that covered terrorist attacks seven weeks prior to Sept. 11. You should see the new 55 story glass building 7! It is absolutely magnificent in a less is more kind of way. Silverstein, because of that well-designed insurance policy, was able to build the new bldg. 7 virtually for free and pocket close to a half billion when he was done. The new buildings 1-6 in "the tub" may turn out to be a bit of a different story (in spite of the settlement he won in court for two terrorist attacks) because he has to pay about 125 million each year (during development that is taking longer than expected) to retain the redevelopment rights and there is evidence that they are, once again, having trouble getting enough commitments for financially feasible occupancy levels.

In any case, something stinks to high heaven about all of this (concerning the events of Sept. 11) and I wait patiently and hopefully with you, with eyes wide open, to see what becomes of the memory/history of that fateful day. Keep on rockin' my dear brother in the endeavors your heart and mind guide you towards. You have been of such faithful and great service to this deteriorating republic that is teetering on the edge of disaster while screaming, "we rule!".
Ignorance and arrogance is such a scary combination....

Chris

This does not completely solve the confusion/questions concerning Chomsky's hardline position on the subject of September 11, but goes a long way in helping us understand it better.... What think ye all???

ChrisBowers's picture
Interesting.
At the very least, someone is making a killing. Perhaps you saw
the searching Wall St Journal expose of how a rash of stock options were given
by CEOs to themselves immediately after 9/11, when the market was closed and
they knew it would open very low, then quickly rise. Apparently exploited
the tragedy to put plenty of cash in their pockets.
And maybe more. I wonder whether we will ever know. There are
serious questions about incidents long ago.
Noam
And my latest response
Yes, I forgot to mention the many put options on the publicly-traded
airlines that are so outrageously obvious to the saavy investor mind. I
don't know which is worse, the brazen arrogant behavior of these
individuals who feel they can get away with anything, or the American
public who gives them reason to believe they are absolutely correct
about there presumption of their above-the-law superiority? Needless to
say, we live in very interesting times and I am so glad you are here
with us faithfully and diligently shining a big light on all of this
despotic behavior over the years. Again, thank you so much Noam for
taking the time from your busy schedule to sincerely correspond with
me. I just couldn't be more honored then to have this opportunity!!!!
In Love and Confident Hope for a better tomorrow by working on it today,

Chris
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Fantastic Chris!

Your questions and Chomsky's responses made my day!  My brain is spinning just dealing with the possibilties of Who,Why and How?

Chris, you have my respect and admiration. It's a pleasure to be in the same group with you!

Jim

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Thank you ALL for responding and discussing this perplexing issue concerning Chomsky's curious position. I immediately went for believing he and Amy Goodman were "left wing gatekeepers" a while back, but could never quite figure out for sure why they would be, other than the blatantly obvious concerns of totally losing credibility which would cost them a boatload of money, credibility with the world of manufactured dissent and prestige.

I totally agree with you Lesley that his logic is extremely flawed to the point of pitiful (strange for a man of his backround), but I can also remember vividly mine being very flawed when I was adamantly on the other side of this argument until about 2005, and then I saw building seven fall straight down into its footprint at near free fall speed and went intuitively flying over to the other side of this argument and never looked back, and found more and more and more evidence to build (laws of physics wise) an iron-clad case for controlled demolition by not only the use of standard military demolition materials (such as thermate), but also the very real possibility that depleted uranium powder (a very powerful pyrophoric that burns at between 3000C and 6000C) was used, and/or 4th or 5th generation low-yield low radiation nuclear devices and/or a very powerful and new directed energy weapon (See the Directed Energy Professional Society website sometime). What many, including many who believe the controlled demolition story, don't realize is much of the steel in the towers was vaporized in the global collapse! The rubble pile was bigger at building 7 (47 storeys) than the rubble pile at the base of the "pulled" 110 storey twin towers! We have all of this video evidence to explain much if we train ourselves to see what is actually there (or not there in this case).

Something introduced a hell of alot of energy to produce the dynamic results we all saw with our own eyes, and yet so much of the general public was "shock and awed" and overwhelmed into believing the officially-sanctioned conspiracy theory of the 9-11 commission report and NIST report. It becomes so obvious once down the rabbit hole, but there is a very strong psychological chasm there that we need to continue to appreciate (being that most of us had to cross it ourselves)!

Not many of us smelled a rat on the morning of September 11, 2001, not even the many professionals who should have! I am by no means taking up Chomsky's defense case, just very much appreciating my own experience going from arguing against just another bogus "conspiracy theory" to completely and logically understanding that something is going on that needs to be rigorously scrutinized/investigated until we get to the bottom of this despotic cesspool!

Isn't it also interesting that they had Lee Hamilton put the finishing touches on the 9-11 commission report, the same man that put the finishing touches on the Iran-Contra scandal and let Reagan off the hook. The tact I am taking with Chomsky (fortunate that he is biting on anything right now concerning 9-11) is to pour enough honey on him to try to warm him up to the idea that something stinks on ice with this whole thing. He may very well be some kind of left wing gatekeeper, but I still ask, "Why?" I am playing out this hunch that he is just another guy that is completely caught up in the same psyops trap chasm that so many of us were stuck in prior to our own personal epiphanies concerning 9-11. If my hunch is correct, he may come around to finish his professional life with the swan song of doing the right thing concerning the "touchstone" events on the morning of September 11, 2001. If I am wrong about my hunch, it just plain doesn't matter in the long run, so the risk/reward scenario is extremely inviting.

Did you see how he came my way a bit by bringing up the insider trading concerning 9-11 on his last email? I still hold out a tiny bit of hope for him, but I am not going to hold my breath....

I'll bet there are some people at AIPAC and JINSA that could answer some of our questions about the "who" if they were ever bit by the forthcoming bug!!!!!

Love & Confident, Unassailable Hope with eyes wide open,

Chris

Oh, and Elizabeth, let me qualify my strategic use of the term "dumbed down". I don't use it as a negative, "glass is half empty" phrase, but a manipulative verbal tool to compel people to think, "hey, who are you calling dumb, man?" "I'll show him - I'll look into this and prove that idiot wrong about his cherished little conspiracy theory!"

You know, reverse psychology, or something similar anyway. In any case, I so totally agree with you that we, the presumed minority, are winning and quickly becoming the vast majority worldwide! And all this so beautifully happening like some kind of organic spiritual spontaneous burst of Life energy that always wins in the end because it is unassailable now and forever, Amen....

Oh, and Lesley, as for being "a bit soft on him", that was my slightly disingenuous tact/intent I must confess. You will understand completely if you read Professor Kevin Barrett's harsher tact (in his back and forth correspondence with Chomsky concerning 9-11) that is precisely what you are thinking of. I was trying to use "honey" to get him to consider some possibilities to ponder - a bit of good cop bad cop you might say. It was the only powerful tact left after Kevin let him have it right between his closed eyes the way you are eluding to. At this point I will try just about anything if it will get someone like Chomsky to wake the (fk) up and see the Light. On a lesser note, its just plain fun.... Here's the link http://www.barrettforcongress.us/chomsky.htm

  Thanks for your investigative skill, moxy and articulation.  Like many, I am one of those who has remained suspicious (this is how I observe an "open mind") but lacking in the desire and tenacity to uncover so much information and integrate it. Not to mention the balls to correspond with so much sense of conviction with Chomsky!

   I read with much interest.

   Always,

   Tricia

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What balls me love? One of the advantages of really knowing/understanding who you are (I know you already know this very well) is knowing the other is neither more or less than you - neither better or worse - neither above or below. A Course in Miracles layed that ground work perfectly, as well as so many other sources (too many to mention here). I know you have plenty of "balls" and I know you were just being your kind and gracious Self, and I so love you for that!!!!!

Thanks Tricia,

Chris

If I think you have alot of courage (balls), then I must be intimidated by the prospect of a pointed conversation with the likes of Chomsky.  Gosh Chris, here I go again into that Big Mind process....

Thanks again,

Tricia

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I don't follow American politics that closely, we have more than enough of our own stuff here, nonetheless, I found that interchange very interesting.

The man is very good at twisting and squirming and when it all comes down to it, not saying anything much at all. Confuse the masses with lots of hyperbole and then they will shut up because they don't want to admit that they could not understand what was being said.

Glad to see you are having fun! Did not know you are an architect. I come from a family of them.

Lots of love, keep it up

Ursula

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Definitely, give up on the notion that their is any other "fractal" "piece of the big broken mirror" anywhere out there (other than lil ole "you") that has the ability to intimidate you. Once understood, you can really see it for what it is, someone's attempt based in fear (like Ursula said below) to either shut you down or ruffle your feathers, and that can only be accomplished with your expressed permission.

As Eckhart Tolle put it "universally" for ALL situations, scenarios and "things",
"It is what it is"

Allow me to say this every time it is appropriate (which is almost every time)
Nothing Real Can Be Threatened.
Nothing Unreal Exists....
Therein Lies ALL Peace, Stillness and Calm Understanding.....
(Now if you would allow me to go back to the bad attitude I woke up with this morning, Haaaahahahaha)

I know you already know these things with your mind Tricia, but they can really never be said too many times (can they?)....

Love, Chris

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I blew the "architect" thing up a bit more than it really is for the sake of getting his professional attention. I retired from architecture in 1997 after 20+ years of experience in residential and commercial architecture, and do have experience with structural engineers, but not nearly as much as I eluded to concerning high rise steel structure, although I did do alot of research into the structures of the twin towers and building seven, and there is now a whole community of architects and structural engineers at http://www.ae911truth.org/ that have my back as per comments made to Chomsky in my email correspondence with him. He is simply "stuck" psychologically, and we should never underestimate how strong that psyche stuckness is (especially at his age) just because we find ourselves in the so fortunate position of being past it. Like I said before, I can still remember being so sure (even with all of my experiencial understanding of structure) that once the steel weakened in the towers at the point of impact and the upper portion began to fall downward, all of that mass would surely cause a global collapse. I simply was relying upon an intuitive sense of that overwhelming, once in a lifetime, moment. It was not until I began to do my homework and understood how very structurally redundant those towers were with the 47 column core structure that I finally realized that you could never get that core to fail globally with some limited structural damage, some jet fuel (most of which burned upon impact), mass and gravity. And I was not even compelled to research the towers until I got the overwhelming intuitive sense of foul play when I saw the video of building seven falling so perfectly straight down. In a very real sense, building seven is the real touchstone because it is so undeniable when you watch it freefall down in 6.5 seconds, straight down in a very convenient pile, just like all of the other demolition videos you have ever seen prior to or after that. You really have to want to be in denial about 9-11 if you can watch building seven implode so neatly and then still be willing to say, "So!" so emphatically (you know, like Cheney!)

Love, Chris

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Dear Ones,

The truth is out there.....

And in here.

Peace and Love,Mary

  Repetition is the master and Everything is by agreement. May I beg redundancy and remind us that we are all here to mirror each other?   TT...the house of mirrors. 

  Delightful days,

  Tricia

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MIRRORS!

I love the instant image I got, just thinking about all the clumsy bumbling about in a fun house of mirrors.  We really should take the time to spin in circles once in a while, then drop to the ground laughing like we intuitively did when we were kids!!!!!

1.) All is Sacred, literally meaning "unassailable and inviolable".

2.) This leaves so much room/space for humor in a very "safe place", and the image of the "fun house of mirrors" so perfectly represents, in such a simple way, so much of what is actually going on in this 3D physical world we take too seriously too much of the time.

Thank you, thank you, thank you for that very liberating, inspiring and comical image of our "virtual reality" on planet earth!!

Love, Chris

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