Revlations of an Elite Family Insider - Uplifting!

I will admit before posting this that I haven't fully read the Law of One series yet. Not even the first book. To me it seems to take a long time to digest, and requires some nice slow reading. That being said, after reading this post at the attached link I feel a need to go back to it. This posting was supposedly by someone who is from an "elite bloodline," but it reads (especially in the later parts) like the law of one almost. Thats what I felt at least. Certainly something that might be worth reading in a couple of sittings rather than all at once, the truth of any of it like many things out there cannot really be verified but it seems to ahve struck a few chords with me, so I thought I would pass it on. I recommend this to anyone who is tired of negativity, even if this person is not waht they say they are, it left me feeling good, unlike so many other postings - on other forums predominantly - everything at the G-Spot seems to be a lot more positive, even the negative stuff haha

Enjoy :)

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Thanks for sharing that, Josh. I came across that piece several years ago and found it to be very powerful. Another one like it can be found at Here are some notes I've written on the latter, which will be part of the new Divine Mystery website I am developing:

Notes on Hidden Hand:

I am deeply impressed to hear the bloodline member interviewed at the above link sharing powerful, transformative information about the big picture on our planet, some of which I had never heard before.As always, I invite you to be skeptical, yet open to what is presented. Below is one of my favorite quotes from this person. It is in response to comment by a reader who asks whether Hidden Hand's viewpoint doesn't alleviate the accusations against the New World Order.

"That depends upon your perspective. Does it alleviate the Negativity we have perpetuated? No. Does it alleviate the pain and suffering we have caused, and are causing upon the planet? No. Does it alleviate that we are closing our End Game scenario, and soon to openly come out and offer publicly to "save" the failing political and financial institutions with our esteemed leadership? No. Does that mean that you should give into and feed the Negativity? No. Does it alleviate that we will have to spend a Cycle in Karmic restitution, to balance this lifetime of overt Negativity? No. Does it mean that you should use the Negativity as the tool that it is, to show you that which you are not? Yes.

"Remember, always, that this is a beautiful Game that we are playing here and co-creating together, with our Infinite Creator. And that "off stage" (between lives) we are the very best of friends, and that no one really "dies" and no one really "suffers", except in the Game. The Game is not Reality. Reality is Reality, and you have the Power to Express your Reality within the Game, once you have learnt how to do so."

With much love and joy,

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I really must thank you for this post as it was very enlightening. A very positive thing in a world filled with much negativity. I must admit I understood atot of the answers while others still have me pondering as it was alot of info in a very short time.Thanks again--have a beautiful day filled with many positive things!!! 

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Wow Fred, Hidden Hand's opening comments at that link sound very much like Law of One core fundamentals, which would allege that these (or at least some of them) ancient bloodlines are well aware, and therefore duty bound, to the fundamentals of Natural Law and the karmic dynamics of cause and effect.  Very interesting and somewhat encouraging....  Thank you both very much for these excellent reference sources...

This following excerpt from the Q&A is so quintessential Law of One that its almost spooky to hear it coming from a "family member", and yet so illuminating...

Are we really considered chattel and traded as such by the government?”

By the governments, generally, yes. People are seen as 'collateral'. Pawns that are maneuvered around the chess board, according to the game plan. By the Family, contrary to popular beliefs, many of us do not mean you any harm directly. There is just the matter of divine destiny to uphold and unfold, and we must play our parts in the game, as given to us by the Creator. In many ways, it is actually in our own interest that you are prepared for the coming Harvest

. Just not maybe prepared in quite the way that you would like. Still, even then, you are choosing the Negative Polarity with your own Free Will decisions, with a little 'help' and direction from us. Souls are Harvestable in either 'extreme' of the Polarities, one could say.

If so, how do we become freemen?”

You will never be 'free', for as long as you are incarnating on this planet. The very nature of your being here, is indication of that. There is a reason why you are here, and 'here' is very likely not really where you think 'here' is. How do you become free? By working out where you are, and coming to an understanding, of why you are here. You are fast running out of time to do so, before the coming Harvest. Those that don't make it, will have to repeat the cycle.

Is the Messiah alive today?”

There is no "Messiah". Stop looking outside of yourself for 'salvation'.
Is there what you might call a 'Christ Consciousness' alive, then yes, in a manner of speaking. Though not in your 3rd Density (dimensional) awareness.

Strangely, all of this made me think of "James" from WingMakers, Lyricus, and EventTemples...

and one more quote that is literally and precisely what Ra would and did say, in effect, at places in those L of O sessions.  This is a truly easy claim, and anyone who has read the Law of One Ra sessions knows exactly why and what I'm talking about when you read this following quote from the Hidden Hand Q&A (To be completely objective, if Hidden Hand turned out for some reason not to be an authentic source, he or she is most definitely very familiar with those Ra sessions from 1981),

How do you justify that the current British royal family line is the true bloodline, but Ishmael is not the true receiver of Abraham's gift? If you're true bloodline, you'll know what I mean.”

 "Who says it is the 'true' line? There were Ruling-Bloodlines long before your 'Yahweh' and his 'Christianity' arrived on this planet. Yahweh is 'a' Creator, not 'The' One Infinite Creator. There are other and Higher 'gods' than him. Ultimately, All, are a part of The One, and either consciously, or unconsciously, exercising their Free Will to Create. Begin to study 'outside of the box' for a True understanding of the Creation."

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this part made me mildly wonder about authenticity or lack thereof,

Unless any unforeseen disruptions delay it's announcement, there will be a new currency by the end of 2008 / early 2009, along with a new Union of nations. January has been spoken of in some circles, as the latest, though there are plans underway which could even bring this to fruition much earlier than initially hoped for. It depends upon the results of other upcoming events as to how this will play out. I am not high enough up the Hierarchy to know the intimate details of the dates and times that far in advance. There is a 'tree system' in which such knowledge is passed down, as and when it becomes 'need to know'. I would be considered to be a "Regional" leader. Above me, are National and International.

And then this is interesting and somewhat ominous (anyone have any other info relating to this?),

San Francisco and Damascus, will be uninhabitable by the end of 2010, possibly even sooner. Again, it depends upon certain 'forces' at play, and which timelines are activated. Humanity, though utterly unconscious of the fact, has a significant part to play in this. You (as a collective consciousness of the planet) are choosing the Negative Polarization by default, by the quality of your thoughts and actions. Thought is creative energy, focused. You get exactly what you put out.

and then here Hidden Hand just comes right out and unabashedly professes the elite's orientation (negative polarity service to self oriented), and discloses what a fine job we are doing to assist them.  This is Law of One Ra sessions 101...

Why do you think the Media is so important to us? You have (as a society), in your hypnotized comatose state, given your Free Will consent to the state your planet is in today. You saturate your minds with the unhealthy dishes served up for you on your televisions that you are addicted to, violence, pornography, greed, hatred, selfishness, incessant 'bad news', fear and 'terror'. When was the last time you stopped, to think of something beautiful and pure? The planet is the way it is, because of your collective thoughts about it. You are complicit in your inaction, every time you 'look the other way' when you see an injustice. Your 'thought' at the sub-conscious level of creation to the Creator, is your allowance of these things to occur. In so doing, you are serving our purpose. It is very important to us, that the Polarization of this planet is Negative at the time of the Great Harvest. That means Service to Self orientated, as opposed to Positive, Service to Others. We require a Negative Harvest, and you are doing a fine job of helping us to attain our goal. We are very grateful.


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Fred, this thing reads like a perfected Law of One "the Basics" lesson.  Do you have any pet hunches about who this really is (Hidden Hand)?.  If he is who he says he is, than the Law of One described so articulately by RA in those sessions in 1981 is one hell of a clear affirmation for this very very ancient understanding.

I read this in the Law of One, and recently I am running into affirmation after affirmation, in Jon Peniel's Children of the Law of One book, in the Thiaoouba Prophecy that Berry sent me (an amazing story told by a man alleging to have been taken for 9 earth days, on a ship, and got to visit Thiaoouba quite a distance away), a race of evolved humanoid beings telling him things very much in keeping with the Law of One natural law description.

The level of synchronicity is unavoidable, LOL

Hey Chris,

I read the Thiaooba Prophecy back in my early 20's....have given away quite a few copies of it as was originally under anoother name...abduction to the ninth planet ...or something....very cool book....I hope you read it 3 times as  suggested!...



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Hi Chris,

I suspect this guy is pretty much who he says he is - a relatively high ranking priest of one of the bloodlines which believe they rule the planet in this game we've co-created here. Yet to think that he really understands the whole picture is a mistake, too. I think he would admit that though his knowledge is far greater than most on this planet, he has yet to fathom the deepest mysteries of the universe.

I think the belief that we are all one leads many astray. The fact that I am writing this to you suggests that there is a you and a me. Yes, there is a oneness in that we are all interconnected in a divine cosmic dance, but you are you and I am me in this form of our existence. In this form of connecting right here right now in this forum, Chris, we are not one, and that is a beautiful thing!

So from my perspective, there is both a oneness and a multiplicity of being. Both these aspects of existence are beautiful and divine. If we overly focus on the oneness and neglect the multiplicity, it can cause as many challenges as the reverse. Just food for thought.

With much love and warm wishes,

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I see the Oneness thing as an infinite number of utterly unique and sovereign expressions in every one and thing around us.  Even our own particular unique "take" on "it", this "one" or that "thing", is a new experience apart from the "thing" or "one" itself.  So in my view there is no dissolving of each one's sovereignty and uniqueness from all of this being One, or understanding that it is fundamentally "One", if that makes any sense.

But what I was really getting at is that this guy, whoever he or she is, is sharing Law of One principles as if they were being taken right from the Law of One RA sessions books by someone who's doctoral thesis was about the L of O, LOL.  So much so that it started to make me wonder if it could be someone just pretending to be from one of the 13 ancient bloodlines (or above), and using that premise to share Law of One principles with people.  I don't put much stock in that at all, but it certainly raised the thought.

I have been having that feeling about several authors lately, much like my/our wondering who James from WingMakers really is.  We are in that arena where so many of these sources could be either real or fake, authentic or just posing to feature an adopted position or philosophy....

Even the 8th density headquarters being on Saturn is spot on what RA mentions in L of O.  I don't know why this seems so freaky weird to me, but it does, and in a very good way actually.  His talking about who Lucifer really is, and who Yahweh really is, all of it so very interesting and resonates deeply....  Thanks again for the source Fred...

Oh, and this,

"Yes, the noonday Winter Solstice Sun of December 21st, 2012 is the time when the Lord of The Harvest shall return. You might know him as "Nibiru""

He sure seems to being mentioning a few interesting specifics.  Any thoughts on these kinds of specific pronouncements, especially having to do with 2012???

The following really gets to the heart of our earthly experience I thought,

"No Soul is terminally corrupted.  Every Soul is a beautiful individuated portion of our One Infinite Creator. Souls play characters in the Game of Incarnation. Souls can play some really mean and nasty characters, but underneath the disguise, they will always be beautiful.  Remember this, everytime one of these beautiful Souls 'mistreats' you as a part of their storyline. They're just playing their part, like any good actor does whilst on stage. Be thankful to them for their Sacrifice, and learn the lessons they are bringing to you"

What a profoundly amazing read this is Fred!!!  I made a PDF of the web pages to have in computer reference library... and finally, this one's for all trying to make sense of the paradox of One-ness and individuality,

"Not so. Think in terms of individuated Souls, who can see and understand that they are not separate, but interconnected. It is an illusion, that "space" is "empty". You will still interact as an individual, yet at the same time, you will see how we are all One. It is difficult to explain in a way that makes 3rd Density sense.  We just do not have the words or concepts to describe it.  We no longer need words where we are going."

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Glad you found that useful, Chris. I plan to have lots of powerful material like this on the new website I'm developing. Hopefully it will be up within a few months. I'll let you know.

As for 2012, I've shared my thoughts on this in the post at:

Very briefly, the time is NOW!!! If you are still waiting for 2012 to be saved, you are not living fully in this amazing moment. All the focus on 2012 for me is largely a distraction, though clearly it is very meaningful to many. And I think many will be disappointed when 2012 passes, and then a new date will emerge for everyone to focus on. This has been going on for millenia. You take care and have a beautiful day.

With much love and joy,

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I'm only 2/3's of the way through this post but I just wanted to mention that I appreciate the message of temperance. I've been receiving this message from other sources lately as well.

I recently put on quite a bit of weight and went to overeaters anonymous (OA) to try and figure out what was behind the weight gain. Like the other 12 step programs, the message is very spiritual, emphasizing the importance of connction to the divine.

The poster here mentions methods of control that have been in place since the French revolution - "let them eat cake" came to mind. I have given up sugar and most starches and lost a lot of weight since I started going to OA and feeeling much better.

I guess media addiction will be my next thing to "conquer".  So far in my reading, he hasn't mentioned meditation but it seems to me that this simple but difficult practice is the answer he is calling for. Also, living a simple lifestyle, something I continue to struggle with.

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Another interesting/intriguing bit of info from Hidden Hand,

"That amuses us. We are most certainly NOT Reptilian, and there is nothing remotely reptilian about the True Power Bloodlines.  The only 'Reptilian' influences that are in any way remotely involved with this planet at this time, are those of the Zeta Reticuli and Alpha Draconis systems.  They are of no particular threat to you.  For those to whom it may be of some interest, we are of Venusian heritage, originally.  What is another name that Venus is called by? Connect the dots."

What caught my eye is the "Venusian heritage" reference, the very same heritage that the 6th density social memory complex RA claims in the Law of One sessions.  So then I went to connect the dots and came across the following concerning the other ancient name for Venus (Lucifer).

Lucifer - where did the word come from and what is its true meaning?

Can't say it enough Fred, this is one of the most profoundly amazing sources I have ever had the pleasure and good fortune to read.  It explains much that would help people "stuck" in the lies, half truths and folklore of religion get unstuck from needless fear and superstition.  And how liberating to realize that there truly is very little geniune "service to self" entities "out there" (HH mentions that Orion group that is still lost in their delusion), and that the one's comprising Lucifer's camp, fulfilling their contract as catalyst here on Gaia, are actually and truly fully service to others, taking a road that would have them scorned for a time, having to go the 4th density negative route to balance the books concerning karma's law of cause and effect, all so we could get unstuck from the benign dictatorship established by Yahweh.

It willl certainly rub many religious people (Christians) the wrong way, but what a beautiful story it reveals about the vast predominance of service to others already so well established throughout the expanding universe(s).  And if HH is correct, we can finally put the reptilian thing to bed for good, LOL

here is another source for the posting of the HH Q&A that shows the hidden hand symbol image

| Illuminati News | Dialogue with "Hidden Hand", Self-Proclaimed Illuminati Insider

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I feel I'm watching a dance to music I can't hear.

Is this Q & A with a member of the elite understood to be a kind of fable? I can't tell who is taking it to be real and who thinks it's a teaching tool only.  It would seem like the epitome of foolishness to interpret the focus of an annonymous Internet chat as representing a real person who is revealing great truths, so...

Sorry, just a bit weary from trying to decide what to believe.


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I need to get some sleep. Forget the question


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Hi Brian.  I know how you feel, but realize that this does and will resonate strongly with anyone who is intimately and thoroughly familiar with the 106 Law of One Ra sessions.  Several of us have these 5 books in PDF form in computer libraries if anyone wishes to have copies sent to them.  Almost everything that HH has commented on is like listening to Ra again in those sessions.

The Law of One message has come my way in a handful of different non-related sources, so I have come to know, not believe (as Hidden Hand alludes to, knowing instead of believing or having faith).  The knowing is a very personal and intimate thing that has, after being consolidated and integrated, less to do with the mind thinking and more to do with the Heart or emotional content of the Soul.  It becomes a thing that words fail to explain, and a knowing that words cannot destroy.

And in my case, which I would imagine is somewhat typical for many seekers, much synchronicity of affirmation of disparate sources coming out of nowhere to establish the seeker's knowing.  When you are having that frustrated feeling of not knowing what to believe, it is the rational mind attempting to nail something down.  Its hard to explain any other way, other than this goes far beyond that frustrated mental search, and ultimately transcends ego-induced confusion, making one weep spontaneously on occasion when confronted with such profound resonating universal truths that finally hit home.

These will always be very personal and very intimate moments of self discovery, for no one can truly benefit from having so called "truth" spoon fed to them.  We all have the universal and inalienable right to free will, and our own personal brand of confusion for as long as we wish.  It is all part of the dynamic of a very intimate and touching divine process of self discovery that cannot be destroyed once established.  Sometimes quiet time and meditation is the best remedy for a head full of frustrating thoughts, for you are already in possession of what can never be destroyed.  All else is illusory grist for the mill, one hell of an amazing route for re-discovery and re-cognition....

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Chris, Brian, Fred, Josh,

All of this is, I admit, fascinating reading.  And much of it rings true.  I also admit that I haven't read it all.

Some things give me pause, however, and I don't even know how much pause.  The biggest one is the idea that certain groups/bloodlines have been given the task of arranging conditons that can be seen to contribute to (if not outright cause) much of the manipulation and destruction that we see in the world, by a Supreme Creator according to a Big Plan. 

Well... just to focus on that one idea here:  a Supreme Creator who issues orders.  This is the familiar theistic model of "God".   But the "mystics" (call them direct experiencers) of all times and religions or no religion seem to agree that there is no Creator that is a discrete entity, but something that we all are essentially (non-local Being) -- the idea (or, more to the point, experience) of one Mind or Consciousness.   So where is there an entity in that?  Only discrete entities can issue commands.  And commands are different from laws inherent in the nature of things.  (I'm reminded of G.W. Bush bowing his head in (mock?) prayer and then claiming that Gold told him this and that.)  

Maybe "Supreme Creator" (or whatever term is used) is just a creation of language, but it's a language that supports the idea of a fairly rigid hierarchy.  Well, that certainly doesn't ring true.  Maybe it's my own ignorance and I'm being simplistic, but...  There's just very little of a feeling of Light in these accounts.  If the HH and the Elite Family Member are real, maybe it's just that there's little light in them.  I'm talking about palpable wisdom and compassion -- I guess I don't feel it from them.  HH says he (or she) is answering questions because he (she) is bound to, not because of any wish for the welfare of others.  If these guys are real, maybe they're beings with unusual knowledge, but I'm not so sure if they have much wisdom.  So I end up being unsure about the quality of what they have to say...  And there's even the suspicion that there may be a substantial element of deception beautifully woven in... 

These are not conclusions, just feelings...

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I've not yet read the hidden hand stuff which was posted (though I plan on it when time allows) but I posted my original link because I noticed a pretty obvious Law of One connection.

If the original authors (of both pieces linked) are who they claim to be, I assume they probably do have a lot of influence in our world, but woudl not necessarily be serving who or what they claim. from the piece I linked, I took away that the author was not necessarily serving a single point source "god" but moreso a set of principles by which the oneness of creation (all that is?) is guided, i.e. freewill. He seemed to be saying that by providing us with the tools by which we might elevate or destroy ourselves, he was expanding the range of freewill. This seemed to jive with teh law of one stuff as I've read it so far (halfway thru Book 1 plus the occasional random reference here or ther)

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I finally got to reading the original post, the Q&A with "the Insider".  what I am getting from that tone is a much colder tone than that which comes from Hidden Hand.  I see some Law of One type similarities at times, but the Hidden Hand interview is much better concerning a more complete expression of the Law of One natural universal law principles.  The difference in delivery styles, warm hearted vs. cold around the heart, made me think of the balancing act that happens in later density evolutionary experience, the balancing of wisdom and compassion.

Here's a good example from the Insider (HH said basically the same thing in a more gentle fashion)

"We manipulate this world only as far as we are allowed to by the Divine Law. We provide you with tools and then it us up to you to determine how you use it. Tools can be used in a malicious way, but no one is forcing you to use them that way....  you are choosing yourself.  So despising the ones who provide you with the tool that you voluntarily chose to "sin" with is about you trying to camouflage your tracks. You get what you deserve, that is how this universe works. We do our duty, so do yours."

As for concerns with mention of hierarchical structure in this intelligent construct, I don't know why that concerns people.  It would seem there would be organization and structure to any well conceived intentional process or plan.  A simple analogy is a group climbing a mountain.  The one at the top has a better view and is in a position to be of valuable assistance to other team members relying on him/her/it, and all know that that does not have anything to do with superiority, but more to do with making the most of the natural structure and process of the climbing plan.

A careful reading of the Hidden Hand Q&A reveals, or alleges anyway, that HH is from family not of this world, and live in underground cities right here on earth.  I found this very interesting, as it affirms the very same thing said by other sources in past reading.  This in and of itself means absolutely nothing, for it is either true or false, but I for one am starting to think that that is exactly what is going on, has been for a very long time, and the vast majority of us above grounders haven't a clue how utterly natural all of these things are that have been going on right under our noses and feet all along.  We truly are quite the delusional bunch when you really think about it, LOL

I have read a lot of related information that ties all of this together nicely, so it would be quite a coincidence, and quite odd really, if this all turned out to be one hell of a grand related or unrelated hoax, a mass delusion of some kind that is very psychologically infectious.  I guess anything's possible, but it seems to me almost easier to believe, or know, that this elaborate and amazing picture being described so well by so many seemingly unrelated sources is/are true and accurate.

If HH is correct, than we just need to see the game for what it is, what it has always been, positively and negatively polarized and illusory catalyst providing us with constant opportunity to realize what is real and what is not.  It would be why Jesus said to love our enemies, not because it is spiritual to love enemies, but because there are no enemies in Reality.  Hidden Hand has explained this supremely well, and I thank you for that HH, wherever you are bro or sis!!!!!!

Oh, and something I read the other day about paradox comes to mind in relation to your questions and concerns Bob.  So many questions from this vantage point in 3rd density would be answered with, "well, yes and no".  "Is there a hierarchy?"  "Well, yes and no"  Are we One?"  "Well, yes and no".  This would obviously make it quite difficult to try to navigate the available data with rationalizing logic of our minds, intending to figure things out rationally by surveying all the illusory data, until we finally come to grips with the fact that the illusory data is untrue catalyst to be negotiated, understood for what it is, and finally transcended.

I think we are going to have to do what so many others have alluded to, trust our Intelligent Hearts and feelings to a much greater degree, intuition that leads to experiences that lead to a deeper knowing that transcends the struggling rationalizing mind that trips over all of the apparant and somewhat frustrating paradox...

"Knowing yourself and where you really are, are the two most important issues that you should be involved with. It is your task to find out. In fact, if someone gave you the correct answers, it would not mean a thing to you for they would not be attached to you in a way they would if you had found them yourself." (Insider)

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"But this knowledge is not hidden, the Truth cannot be hidden, It wants to be known by you, inviting you every moment of your life. That is the reason why It, through the ruling powers is being provided to you accompanied with perversions, corrupt additions, to confuse and make you accept the latter. There is not one written book which contains the Truth and nothing but the Truth.  Pick It out and live accordingly to It.  Incorporate It into every aspect of your life....  That is the hardest part for people, for you have to float above this physical/material world while being in the body that dictates the opposite."

"About the authors mentioned (in previous question); like I posted before, it is not in your interest to accept human intervention/advisors/salesmen between you and the Divine. They may say certain things which are true, yet it will never be complete"

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I want to add some thoughts within this thread.  Perhaps others may be having the same experience and what I say may help in some way.  It seems that this post (Thank you Josh) seems to have been a pretty significant one.  This forum seemed to come to a standstill.   I have communicated with another member who spoke of “being lost in this thread”.   That is exactly how I have felt the last week.  Quite a bit of information to chew on here! 


I struggled to read the information from the “insider”  - the first link.  There is a lot of reading and the “tone” or wording did not seem to strike me as “uplifting”.  Yet, the animated discussion between Fred, Chris, Josh, Jez and Deb left me wondering if perhaps I missed the “Uplifting” part of the post and kept me drawn in.   I must admit I only got to page 30 of the 39.  I am not sure I will dig back into the “insiders” writings.  I just didn’t have the best of feelings going on while reading that.


Upon reading Bob’s and Brian’s posting I found that I was having some similar feelings and questions surrounding this topic.   


Today, after reading Chris’s post (title of “The Insider) about the difference in the tone’s between the “insider” and ‘hidden hand”, I decided to take a look at the “hidden hand” question and answers.  (Thank you Chris for your guidance.)  I don’t know why, but I had quiet a different feeling when reading ‘hidden hand’s’ writing.    I have just finished the whole read.   I also have a pile of Kleenex that was necessary to wipe the tears that flowed profusely at times while reading.   I don’t really know what the tears are all about, but they tend to happen with significant personal understanding.  Many came through while reading this.   The “insiders’ words almost had me feeling fearful and anxious, yet I found the words of “hidden hand” gentle and of great comfort.   Many of my "religious" questions, that I have pondered for years, were answered, or transformed.


Perhaps the “insiders’ words primed the pump – so to speak.  And just brought some of my “stuff” to the surface.  I am not sure.    But to anyone who is perhaps struggling to get through the “insiders’ writings and having difficulty…. Perhaps switch over to the “hidden hands” writing and see if it feels any different.  I think (and please correct me if I’m wrong - to those of you with a better understanding of both writings) that they both are revealing the same type of information.


Thanks Brian for speaking up and voicing your confusion about the topic.  Know you weren’t the only one feeling that way.  This group out here continually leaves me inspired and challenged to expand and transform.  And it is not always easy.


Chris, you have had me scratching my head many times, re-reading your words and trying very hard to understand the concepts and understanding you have.  I would like to read those books on the Law of One and appreciate your offer of a copy.  I believe you have my email address, and would greatly appreciate receiving a copy of them.  Thank you in advance.


Namaste – fellow travelers.







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I'm so glad you saw that too Mary.  The feeling of both is like polar opposites (not quite that far, but definitely like warm and cold).  The other thing about Hidden Hand's Q&A is that his or hers is a much more intuitive explaining of the Law of One principles of natural universal law from which all infinite number of liberated diversity doth spring from (that was a good place for "doth" wathin it?).

Mary, I'm at home ([email protected]), and I think I have your email at work, but not here.  Could you email me at the [email protected] address, and then I will begin sending those L of O books to you.  Two of them (because of images) are about 5 mgs.  I hope that will not be a problem, don't think it will.

The weeping thing too Mary, I can so relate.  At those times when I am reading or hearing something that goes way deep into some primordial re-cognition, I weep, as I did on many occasions while reading the law of one material, in spite of Ra's dry and very neutralized delivery.  Just so you know, there is hardly much more anyone would need to know from the actual Law of One sessions that was not covered and elaborated on perfectly and brilliantly in the Hidden Hand Q&A.  I was continually blown away by HH's knowledge of these core principles...

That said, it is good to have those books on your computer in your reference library.  The one thing that both sources say that is so true is that there is no savior, and no perfect holy document that can give us what we are duty bound to find intimately within our own divine spark selves.  Law of One material does an excellent job of clearing the mental and psychological clutter so we can do that better...

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Thanks Chris – You should have my email request by now. 


I did copy the entire HH question & answer so that I could read it again.  There were so very many things I would like to spend some time in meditation with.    So many times now I have run across the information that says “We are the ones we have been waiting for.”  It’s finally starting to sink in.   We have to do it ourselves.  No saviors.   It was disheartening at first….Just how am I supposed to do anything as big as this?   But, that is my personal hurdle.  I now choose to get over it.   lol!  


It is interesting to hear that the actual Law of One was covered so thoroughly in this q&a.  I look forward to reading the books.


With Love,


ChrisBowers's picture

Here is a website where anyone can "right click" the document links of all 5 books and save to your computer reference library....

The Law of One: The Ra Material, By: Ra, A humble messenger of the Law of One - PDF Downloads, and Articles

and this one for access to individual sessions

Main Page -

tscout's picture

  I have had a great time reading both the subjects and the responses to this post, and I had the sametake as chris and mary,,the insider was a much colder read, his interpetation of karma,,and HH, when asked about the insiders posts, summed up that he wasn t as "in the know" as he claimed to be,,much of HH s post sounded so familiar, yet I have never read anything like it before,,,,,,,,,,,and thanx chris for posting that link to the ra sessions,,I am way overdue in reading those,,,,,,,,,,todd

JoshERTW's picture

Mary, I saw light in the darkness I guess you could say, and the last few pages seem to be where Insider really started to sound like the Law of One material. The uplifting part (for me at least) was that although his tone was very serious, at the same time I saw bits and pieces of other information (liek what others have posted) shining through. I often find myself feeling suspicious of anythign that is "too positive" and for me the discussion with the Insider seemed a bit more like "tough love." Not to be a downer, but I have a feeling there may be a bit of that in store for the world, and it will likely be tougher for some than others. I have had this strong feeling lately that change is coming and its coming sooner than later, I have the highest hope that it will be positive change and will do my best to help push it that way in my own corner of the world, and I think the fact that this supposed Insider's word echoed a lot of my own thoughts on the matter were in a strange way reassuring. That being said I have investigated to some extent or other alot of the "dark" material, specifically with regards to natural disasters past and future in the last little while, so perhaps this post for me was comparatively a "breath of fresh air." I will have to read this hidden hand stuff when I get the chance, been so busy lately its hard to find time to read anything.

On a completely separate note I saw a very strange light in the sky below teh setting sun today, it was pusling almost and moving across the sky. The pulsing made me think it might not be a plane and at some points there were more than one visible "points" of light on the 'hull' of whatever it was. Looked too big to be a plane, and no contrail whatsoever. Been watchign the sky with great interest of late, partially because my "gut feeling" that change is coming seems inextribaly linked with the sky. Don't know if its the sun, moon, stars UFO's or what but I think whatever it is will be associated with the sky. Maybe I've been reading too much/watching too many youtube videos - had a dream last night that I saw "weird lights in the sky." Cool experience even if it was nothing.

Call me Mary's picture

Hey Josh,

 I have to agree with you on the “too positive” stuff.  I’m not suspicious of it… I have just grown weary of it.   There is something missing in it…. Something like reality.  (whatever that is!!)    And I agree too that there will probably be some rough and tough parts to the coming changes.   Heck, what we’re going through right now isn’t all that smooth and rosy smelling, is it?    Personally, “tough love” is a little to tough for me, but I do demand and seek “true (or truthful) love”.


I’m glad there are the two posts and hope when you get a chance to read “hidden hand’s” post you will comment on it.  See if it left you with the same impression.    I thought they were both the same thing and almost didn’t read the hh stuff until Chris talked about the differences.  Just thought I would post, also, to clarify that difference and what I felt.   I feel like a very large section of puzzle pieces got snapped into place and this revealed to me truths that I had been confused about for a very long time.    Maybe it won’t have the same effect for everybody… But there are many ways to find what we are truly seeking, isn’t there?


Thanks for a great post, Josh.  I’m now digging into the Law of One Books and am finding it very interesting. 

With love and gratitude,


JoshERTW's picture


I've started reading through the Hidden Hand material and wow, it really is a lot more light than the Insider material without being on the "too positive" side. I'm glad I read the Insider one first however, it seems I'm in a transition between negative and positive in what I'm currently investigating, and it was a good stepping stone. Definitely appreciate the similar but differing commentary from HH. Will have to continue reading HH and give more comment as time allows. Not feeling too great today health wise  (stomach issues).

ChrisBowers's picture

One of the most comforting things about the HH material is the clear definition of the positive/negative polarity catalyst "game".  And how we all, all players from so called negative and positive polarity positions, laugh and hug and muse over all of the dynamic interaction, when together in between incarnations (where we are presently bound together in the astral planes).  The following excerpt is extremely illuminating...

"You are indeed what you call "Divine Souls"; you are sparks or seeds of The One Infinite Creator. You are Life Itself (Light), remembering and learning who you really are (we came here to help you to do this) and yes, currently, you are trapped (or more accurately "Quarantined") within the 'matter' of this planet you call Earth."

"You can thank your Creator Yahweh for that. You are the 'offspring' or individuations of his Group Soul (or Social Memory Complex). Macrocosmically speaking, you ARE Yahweh. The 'Karmic' effect of his imprisoning us (Lucifer group Soul) in his Astral Planes, also has an impact upon you. I cannot be more specific on this, without impinging on the Law of Confusion. You must work it out for yourselves."

Although we would always have good reason to defend others from being unwillingly attacked by what we consider evil, we also have very good reason to not spend time hating evil, or being angry with our developed concept and perception of "evil", in light of what HH is getting at in the Q&A.  It is just plain enthralling and liberating to hear someone from the "dark side" negative polarity service to self camp speak so darn eloquently of the Law of One universal principles, and of the game that is designed and specifically intended to spur us on spiritually by contrast of polarities...

i.e., if there is any actual evil in all of this amazing construct, it is vastly outnumbered and outmatched by "good" and caring.  Talk about self sacrifice!  The Lucifer Soul Group could have moved on to training/experiencing in 7th density understanding, but agree to come backward and re-enter this very dense 3rd density illusion (something admittedly very difficult and limiting for them to do) and play the "bad negative polarity service to self guys", while all along they are actually very much service to others oriented with eons of experience helping others progress and get unstuck.  It begins to make the crucifixion of Jesus pale and seem trivial in comparison.

There is much to rethink in Light of all that is said in this Q&A....

ChrisBowers's picture

"Understand, that we HAVE to be Negative. That's what we were sent here to be. It is our contract, and it has always been to help you, by providing the "Catalyst" I spoke of earlier.  Being Negative is very hard for us, not on a physical level, (the characters we play enjoy our roles, as we're programmed that way), but on a Spiritual level, it is hard."

"We surpassed the lowly negative vibrations eons ago. We are Light, and we are Love. It is a very hard thing for us to do Spiritually, to create all this Negativity, but we do it because we love you, and it is for your highest good, ultimately.  You could say, that it is our Sacrifice that we have made, in order to be of Service to the One Infinite Creator, and to you, our Brothers and Sisters in the One."

"Remember, we are all just acting out a grand old game here, where we agree to forget who we really are, that in the remembering, we may find each other again, and know that we are One. That All of Life, is One."

Viveka's picture

Game Over All Contracts Null and Void

Duality Transcended

Choice, Potential = Infinite

All things in manifestation must needs feed, that wich feeds on fear lives in fear.  KNOW THE TRUTH OF YOUR OWN  HEART.

Know also that what is set in motion in the Now will return to its source magnified by its effect. The pebbles of Love that are droped  by individual and collective Humanity Now will ripple out and alter the cource of the Universe. Love gives naught but of itself and takes naught but from itself

Love and respect to the One in All

Peace Love Laughter

Brian's picture

Hey Viveka,
Beautiful. You have this way of getting me to shift my perspective back to the elastic, fun, loving way of being. Thanks for that.


lefty-dave's picture

Greetings all...

...this is a fascinating topic and the Law of One papers are one of those finds, like WingMakers, that you just ' know ' have a basis in fact....

reading Insider and Hidden Hand doesn't resonate with me as profoundly though, something about the way he described bloodlines,  being like our rivers that flow from oceans....I don't think this person is all they are cracked up to be....but he cracked me up a little....

It did make me want to go back to the Law of One papers again....which is where I'm headed now...

Blessings to you all for sharing this...


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