Just to set the record straight, heck I really hate how gossip gets started and who is so busy passing stuff around!
I DID NOT THREATEN TO LEAVE THE COMMUNITY BECAUSE OF RIVERSONG AT ANY TIME!
I am a big girl and I can take care of myself. If I felt Riversong to be a threat to me I would have told him so. I don't agree with all he says and how he says it, but he does quite often have a point. I can ignore those sort of posts, I neither need to read them nor respond to them. There is a lovely story about how, if somebody throws stuff at you and you don't accept the 'gift' it returns to the sender ten fold.
I also do not make threats to get my own way. All I said was that if I found what was going on on the Portal was not to my liking, well then I had the option to make my choices as to what I was going to do. By which, in effect I meant, that I cannot expect others to do what I want, just because I want it. We all have our own ideas and I can happily let people do their own thing as in my world I HAVE CHOICES and I do not need to join into anything that to me feels wrong or does not fit into my system of personal integrity, truth, honesty and caring about the feelings of others.
I have thought about the group features. While I agree that having groups is great, I do not see the need for closed, secret groups. I feel it goes against the whole reason for having formed this team. We are supposed to be a team, to support each other. If people have issues that need to be discussed in private, well then email each other which is already being done anyway. I do not believe that the group is here to act as counsellors and support groups for specific survivours.
PLEASE NOTE - I AM ONLY GIVING MY OPINION HERE
I am a trained counsellor and we are not allowed to consult with people more that three times before they have to be referred to a registered psychologist. I would think that people having found this course and thought it of interest and then having taken the time and effort to move through the whole course have reached a certain point of self-realisation, have looked at their issues and are dealing with them without needing a support group on the Portal.
I have nothing against groups, I think they are great, but let them be open and if anybody joins and finds something not to their taste, well, then they can leave and if they are obnoxious, then kick them out, whatever. We are supposed to be Transparent and this to me is not transparent.
These are my thoughts and concerns and I have now voiced them
I breathe sacred love with you all
Ursula
Hi Ursula
I was very disappointed at the idea of people leaving just because of somebody else, so I'm really happy to read your post. I particularly love the two first paragraphs, they do reflect what I expected from you. I don't totally agree with the rest, but then again, that doesn't matter (or, as you put it, whatever...). I do appreciate seeing you voice your thoughts and concerns, though.
Sending my warmest wishes to both you and Riversong,
Norma
Hi Ursula,
I want to apologize for myself and Beth and Andrey. We all assumed that your reason for wanting to leave was because of Riversong. Several others have clearly mentioned his name in either leaving or saying they might leave, so we assumed that was also true for you. Actually in our joint message about suspending Riversongs posting privileges, we did not mention your name, so there is no need for Beth and Andrey to apologize. I did mention your name in one of my comments though, so I ask your forgiveness, Ursula.
I hear that you feel very strongly about the invitation-only groups. We have not made a firm decision on this. I'm curious as to why you would want to leave for this reason when the groups haven't been implemented yet, and you don't know whether or not they would end up being as you fear. I'd love to hear your thoughts and deeply appreciate your loving presence and wisdom.
With apologies and deep love and respect for who you are,
Fred
Thank you all for your comments.
Rob, I am sorry. Thank you for your loving post, it comes from a heart filled with light and love and concern for others. I can resonate with that. I have been here for a long time and I love what this team should represent. I do agree that quite a number of commments made on posts do not come from a loving heart and are not supportive, but look to be challenging. As was said once before, "If you have nothing good to say, then say nothing at all"
Dear Fred, I think you really misunderstood me. I did not threaten to leave, I do not resort to such childish tactics. All I said was that I had the option to make my choices as I saw fit. If you read my mail you will see that. I got a mail this morning from somebody asking if it was true that I was leaving because of Riversong, therefore my post.
I was asked by Andrey to run a test group and asked to give my input. This I have done. I am against closed groups for moral and ethical reasons and because they will split the team even further. I have made my feelings clear and I do not feel the need to defend these or to explain over and over again.
Whatever decision is made, so be it. This whole thing is being blown out of all proportion as far as my input it concerned.
I breathe sacred love with you all
Ursula
Just to be clear, no one has ever threatened to leave if Riversong continued to be here. I am quite certain that neither I nor Andrey or Beth ever said that. Several, like Rob, stated that they were either leaving or considering leaving largely because of what was happening with Riversong. This to me is not in the least a threat, yet clearly something that needed to be dealt with. And I apologize, Ursula, if I misconstrued your words. Remember, we can all breathe sacred love at any time with Riversong, with each other, and with our whole team. Isn't that what we came here for?
With sacred love flowing,
Fred
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Here without comment...or gone? I do not enjoy word to word combat.......the post on groups,by it's tone was not loving,to my ears.It ,my feeling here, didn't feel like a poll, but a soapbox for ego. straight question.......essay answers. I see much of what very few think.I for one look straight in the eyes when I talk to someone.......feel the meaning behind words, and intention. This medium is a challenge in that way. I don't think as much fluid thinking as shoving occurs , I know no other way to get to know cyber neighbors. I personally do not want to leave the room quietly..........too new, but i do see much male input.......not much female(energy,not body) I do agree with rovin that it does not feel safe to say all here. love and also here, Mary
Dearest Ursula, absolutely nothing to be sorry about. Love to you, as one, Rob
Dear Ursula, thak-you for sharing this. It was also put to me in a private message that I threatened to leave if something was not done about Riversong. This is offensive in the extreme so as Ursula has put her case
I will also.
After the thread posted by Riversong I felt that my work is best done elsewhere. I attempted to slide quietly out the back door having said a couple of good-byes. I received many beautiful messages to which I would like to respond however I am drained by this and need to take a break. My concerns specifically,
The contention by Riversong that there is a secretive agenda. This was answered simply by Andrey, no conspiracy here. You know Fred, Andrey and crew, why were people so ready to believe the worst? Secondly, as things escalated Riversong's personal attack on Chris went beyond my definition of what is acceptable behaviour in a forum such as this. Ensuing comments saw the persnal attack as 'dukeing it out' or words to that effect. It seemed to me as if Chris and others were taking a personal beating and others find this acceptable. I do not. Why? In this sort of environment people build trusting relationships with various members and explore deep aspects of themselves. I at least I have had the priveledge of working in this way with some of you. When trust is lost, it is like being led into a beautiful clearing in the forrest where you lay down, vulnerable, and the attack begins, wolves allow you the pleasure of seeing your heart ripped out before it is devoured. Some of you have indicated that this is a transformative experience. I note in in another post by Riversong he values the concept of 'terror' as a transformative tool, I do not. My intention for leaving quietly was that I honour your intention to carry on as you do. I have been questioned as to my courage, fine, perhaps leaving is not the answer but for me empowerment arises from discarding, shedding 3D energy, this clensing process relies on trust and compassion. I fear some of the work I have done in another post with one of your most beautiful cohort will be found out and ripped open. Therefore I asked Andrey to erase my profile this morning and after some discussion with others decided to do nothing until I have regained some strength. However, the assertion that I have manipulated this situation for my own benefit needs to be addressed. Look inside, deeply, are you of the light? I acknowledge that we all have different ways of expressing ourselves. Words are but the carrier waves for intention, do the words you read fill you with love, do the words you express question from the heart? Are you here to promote your own ego? Of course these question are equally directed at me. I will not however condone vicious attacks on people however well justified they might be interms of psycho-babble and dark channels. We must discern light in everything we do. Every word, every thought every moment. Our ascention depends on it. As one, Rob
OOPS!
I have read all comments with an open mind and a caring heart. Ursula, of all people, I would never question your integrity or your intent. I know you well. I am glad you cleared it up for the rest of the team. I loathe gossip, also, and have found if I am not a sender, I am not a receiver. As my Guide, you worked with me lovingly and spoke your Truth, as I did. We bonded immediately, and you helped me more than you know. I wrote My Story. Many tears fell as I wrote it, but I was able to take it out and heal it. I never posted it. I am a very private person, and it was for me only. You were the one who helped me do that. I can never thank you enough.
If I find a post that doesn't resonate with me, I just overlook it and not reply, or not read it at all. In other words, I take what I want, and leave the rest. Like you said, we have CHOICES! As they say here in the States, GO GIRL!!! I love you so much!
Sacred Love to you, Soul Sister, and the rest of the team, Nafetah
Fred, I commend and thank you for apologizing to Ursula. She stated stated her position and clarified her words extremely well. Ursula has more integrity and values than anyone I have ever known. She was my Guide, and my mentor. She taught me well, as I worked through the lessons. I am very grateful she was there for me. I continue to love her with my heart and soul.
I have heard the others speak, and I admit I am confused and sad all this has occurred here. I also, am breathing Sacred Love to Riversong and all the members of the team. During the lessons we were taught everyone has a heart. Riversong has a heart, also.
Like I said, I continue to breathe Sacred Love to everyone on this planet. Nafetah